He had 77 in the hand I had 82s. Many players would have checked the river in my position but that is simply not the correct play in my opinion because I am going to call with my 2 pair if I check and he bets so I might as well go ahead and bet into him and if raised I will fold. Still cost me the same 1 Big Bet but the positive side is when he calls you with a hand that you have beat as he did here. With a check you are either going to lose one big bet or win 0 in most cases, by betting you are either going to lose OR win 1 big bet if he calls which is much better. So the bet is clearly a positive move IF you are willing to lay your hand down to a raise.
Statistics: Posted by piersmajestyk — Sun Jan 23, 2005 8:26 am
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starting times_dealt win_pct amt_won bb_hand
T7o1100432.15
T6o1100331.65
T5s110061
T5o110023.55.875
98s10-7-3.5
98o366.666726.251.2639
97s10-6-1
97o250-6-0.75
96s20-32-3
96o10-18-3
95o10-20-1
93o11001284.2667
92s10-20-1
87o250141.1667
86o10-12-2
85s10-5-2.5
85o10-2-1
84s10-20-1
83s2100444.1667
82s1100233.8333
76o25010.0833
75o1100141.4
74s11002.252.25
73o10-6-1
65o40-32-1
64o1100101.6667
63s10-27-4.5
63o10-2-1
62o1100194.75
55110031.5
54s110042
54o40-29-2.125
53o450940.4417
43s10-5-2.5
42s1100194.75
3320-27-2.25
32s10-6-1
32o20-6.38-0.595
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56 39.29 +218.62 +0.03 BB/hand
starting times_dealt amt_won avg_per_hand co_bb_hand
A8o234.517.252.875
A7o117.517.52.9167
A6s13.253.251.625
A6o4-74.5-18.625-2.1063
A5s21472.3125
A5o116.516.52.75
A4s2-31-15.5-3.75
A4o21050.5
A2s1-11-11-5.5
A2o1991.5
KQo1-6-6-1
KTs1-2-2-1
KTo1-24-24-4
K6o2-26-13-4.75
K5o114.514.53.625
K4o213.756.8752.7083
K3o123233.8333
K2o2-17-8.5-1.75
QJo1-2-2-1
QTs2-10-5-2.5
Q9o1-4.5-4.5-4.5
Q8o3-6.5-2.1667-0.0833
Q7s28341.51.725
Q6o26231-0.925
Q5o2-16.5-8.250.375
Q4s113.513.52.25
Q4o1-20-20-1
Q3s2-15-7.5-2.75
Q3o1-6-6-1
JTo2-1-0.5-1.125
J9s110101.6667
J9o2-29-14.5-2.75
J8s112122
J7s2-12-6-1
J6o2-32-16-1
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56 -9.50 -0.17 -0.52 BB/hand
Statistics: Posted by piersmajestyk — Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:14 pm
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LOL
Great Post
Statistics: Posted by BKAZ — Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:17 pm
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Here is another example of defending the blind against a Button raiser. I probably shouldn't post this hand because I have been a proponent of things like mucking KQo in EP and now I am calling a raise with 82s
but when you play well after the flop you can sometimes take some liberties against a questionable raiser.Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (7 handed)
Preflop: Hero is BB with
![[8h]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/8h.gif "The Eight of Hearts")
, ![[2h]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/2h.gif "The Two of Hearts")
. UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button raises, SB folds, Hero calls.
Flop: (4.33 SB)
![[8c]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/8c.gif "The Eight of Clubs")
, ![[3c]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/3c.gif "The Three of Clubs")
, ![[4d]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/4d.gif "The Four of Diamonds")
(2 players)Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button calls.
The patented flop Check Raise
Turn: (4.16 BB)
![[5h]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/5h.gif "The Five of Hearts")
(2 players)Hero bets, Button calls.
River: (6.16 BB)
![[2c]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/2c.gif "The Two of Clubs")
(2 players)Hero bets, Button calls.
Well I decide to value bet my two pair here and if raised I can fold with certainty. Ends up he had a decent hand to raise but he went too far with it given all the resistance I was showing in my opinion.
Final Pot: 8.16 BB Not bad for 82s
Statistics: Posted by piersmajestyk — Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:55 pm
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If I may pick your brain again please.
Same exact situation, same cards, but this time you are in the sb. Do you make the call?
Statistics: Posted by striker2550 — Fri Jan 21, 2005 6:52 pm
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Yes I would have called if the small blind folded and I would have called heads up as well. This hand had the extra bonus of having a BIG FISH involved as well that could be exploited. When you are calling heads up from the Big Blind you are getting 3.5- 3.33 to 1 on your call so you don't have to hit alot of the time to make this call correct. That being said you WILL BE a lifetime loser out of the blinds, you just have to learn to play as best as you can to limit the losses you will take and that includes fighting back from this position when possible.
Another very strong move is the checkraise flop with two others involved when the flop comes rags and the late position player (particularly if he is a decent player) just can't help but to bet. I use this play as I said moreso against the decent aware player than a FISH because the fish may very well have hit something on a rag flop. Checkraise him with nothing and hopefully the other player folds. Most players will go ahead and call your CR with nothing just in an attempt to try and hit something on the turn which most of the time they don't so go ahead and fire another bet at the turn and they will fold up like a dead cockroach most of the time.
Statistics: Posted by piersmajestyk — Fri Jan 21, 2005 6:39 pm
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Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) ]
Preflop: Hero is BB with
![[8d]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/8d.gif "The Eight of Diamonds")
, ![[6d]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/6d.gif "The Six of Diamonds")
. UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 raises, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.
Flop: (8 SB)
, ![[6s]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/6s.gif "The Six of Spades")
, ![[7c]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/7c.gif "The Seven of Clubs")
(4 players)SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 calls FISH, MP2 raises, SB folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG+2 caps, MP2 calls, Hero calls.
I wasn't looking for a cap here by the FISH but I wasn't too worried at this point either.
Turn: (10 BB)
![[Ks]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ks.gif "The King of Spades")
(3 players) Not a bad card for me I think and I lead out again.Hero bets, UTG+2 raises, MP2 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.
Well things have definately gotten sticky now but with the two players I am in against I think I may very well still have the best hand.
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River: (19 BB)
![[5c]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/5c.gif "The Five of Clubs")
(3 players) A really shitty card as the FISH may well have connected here.Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks.
Final Pot: 19 BB
FISH shows down K10o and raiser has 1010. Thanks for coming out boys.
Statistics: Posted by piersmajestyk — Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:47 pm
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