I completely agree with popping the turn thing. If you can honestly say that youd have popped the turn if he had led again, then hey, fuck all that 'piers is a rock' bullshit. Thats a ballsy play.
You know, i do agree with you about the raise looking like a free card play vs. the call looking like an 'im gonna pop your ass on the turn if you bet into me play'. That happens ALOT to me, and what usually happens is that I check behind because i HATE getting CRed on the turn by some asshole with 3rd pair, and then showing down my AQhigh, and losing a major pot, that didnt have to be major at all. Then because i think hes on a shit hand, i three bet him, then he crying calls me down because hes so invested and gets all happy when his pair of fours wins it. when i check behind and the river comes a brick, the caller invariably fires, and most of the time I call and win enough of the time to make the call profitable. But your point, and if i get it, is that a call often is more likely to buy a free card than a raise on a scary board. Its true, and i think thats a play people should understand.
However, there is also the possibility that you have made a pair! I mean sure theres a flush out, but there are also a couple of wheelhouse cards out there, the type a BB would defend with. I mean after all, most people sittin with you dont look at the 8% VPIP guy and think youlll defend your blinds with 26o. Thats another reason why i think making a play for this pot wouldve been the best move, be it on the flop, or the turn, or somewhere --just because i think you probably have a pretty tight table image, which is a good thing in a case like this because it allows you to steal pretty effectively when you think the other guy doesnt have much.
So, yeah i agree with you that a call on the flop mightve been better than a raise. But, when he checked, i think you shouldve at least bet it, instead of waiting for the river to bring a one of the few cards that most certainly didnt help him, thus allowing you to call with queen high. There is no way an ace high calls a turn bet here, IMHO, unless its the
![[As]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/As.gif "The Ace of Spades")
. Its like Stars hand in the limit section, where he has the diamond draw with the gutshot--if the pot is heads up, IMHO, i think you always want to try to win it with your draw, if at all possible, because the chances are your not gonna hit, but HU, i think the chances of hitting a decent draw + the chances of making your opponent muck by showing sufficient aggression are probly well over 50%.Alls im sayin is, if you dont think the other guy has a hand, and niether do you, but you think you might have him highcarded, then again you might not, your better off betting into him at some point than calling him and seeing whose high card is higher.
Statistics: Posted by MecosKing — Thu May 05, 2005 6:55 pm
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Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed)
Preflop: Hero is BB with
![[Qs]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Qs.gif "The Queen of Spades")
, ![[6h]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/6h.gif "The Six of Hearts")
. 7 folds, SB raises, Hero calls.
Flop: (4 SB)
![[Ts]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ts.gif "The Ten of Spades")
, ![[3s]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/3s.gif "The Three of Spades")
, ![[Ks]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ks.gif "The King of Spades")
(2 players)SB bets, Hero calls.
Turn: (3 BB)
![[7h]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/7h.gif "The Seven of Hearts")
(2 players)SB checks, Hero checks.
River: (3 BB)
![[Tc]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Tc.gif "The Ten of Clubs")
(2 players)SB bets, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 5 BB
Results in white below:
SB has 8c 9c (one pair, tens).
Hero has Qs 6h (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 5 BB.
Statistics: Posted by piersmajestyk — Thu May 05, 2005 2:34 pm
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