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In SSHE the example given is much different -- the pot is over 20 small bets and someone has bet into you. It's a call or raise decision, rather than a check or bet decision. In SSHE you forgo a small pot equity advantage to gain a larger one on the turn. Here your pot equity is already big, and there's no sense in losing it when you don't have to.
Statistics: Posted by Nortonesque — Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:49 pm
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Well I think that the "limping preflop" part of my thinking is out of my system now. Doing things for strategic reasons would be a waste of time at the micro-limits. Neither me nor my opponents are good enough to notice.
Checking the flop is perhaps something that one can start using at higher limits where I imagine players are less likely to chase with hopeless hands. Where I play I am likely to lose to much by not collecting those hopeless calls on the flop. Or do you think that checking the flop is a bad thing even when your opponents get better?
Statistics: Posted by CipherJr — Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:23 pm
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Those of you that have read "Small Stakes Hold'em" will recognise what follows. I will make up a hand below to illustrate.
Lets say that you have AA on the button. 2 loose players limps in front of you and you raise. The blinds calls and so does the limpers.
The pot is now 10 small bets. The flop comes K72 with two of the same suit. It is checked to you. You bet and lets say that everyone but one calls. (Just to keep the numbers nice.)
Pot-size is 14 small bets or 7 big bets. Now the turn is another 2 that doesn't complete the flush. Again checked to you and you bet again. You get two callers.
Pot-size is 10 big bets. The river is a J that doesn't complete the flush. Again it is checked to you and you value bet. Now the guy who was drawing to the flush folds but the other guy raises. Oh no! Well the pot is big so you call. Your opponent flips over Q2 and you start doing your best Phil Hellmuth impersonation...
Now I'm sure that I could have handled this hand better! The opponent with Q2 made an error before the flop but after the flop he played correct and my play helped him do that. The pre-flop raise built the pot-size up so that my bet on the flop becomes useless. With 5 outs it's ok to call that bet. The weak draws should fold to the turn bet but the flush draw is correct in calling so that bet is also not very good. The river bet and call is ok though I think. Sure the flop and turn bets are probably +EV but what troubles me is that my opponents calls also are.
I have a couple of questions. Is the pre-flop raise correct? I would think so but it kind of hand-cuffs me on the flop. Should one give a free card on the flop and start to protect the hand on turn if a harmless card comes? (Against these opponents it is sometimes hard to recognise harmless cards though
) Any help is appreciated!/CipherJr
Statistics: Posted by CipherJr — Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:11 pm
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