It really tends to hit home, and while it's hard to lay these down, once you see truth in print (just as TW saw with his PT database), it makes those laydowns that much easier.
That being said, I still feel that playing Ace-big hands are a major leak in my game.
Remember, AK=Anna Kournikova, sure you'd do her, but she ain't gonna win you a damn thing without help.
Statistics: Posted by Tiburon — Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:34 am
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Even though my sample size is TINY, TINY, TINY (4k), I don't care.. I'm gonna post anyway
BTW, my BB/100H is 3.76.My AKo BB/100H is 2.21BB/100H, with 43 occurences.
winrates (i.e. loss-rates) from the blind positions!
BB Won/Hand in SB position: -0.03
BB Won/Hand in BB position: -0.05
"Won $ when saw flop" and "Won $ at showdown."
W$SF is 29.87%
W$SD is 47.41%
"First action on Flop after Preflop Raise."
Raise: 17.65%
Bet: 58.04%
Call: 10.20%
Check: 7.84%
Check/Raise: 0.78%
Fold: 2.35%
No Flop/No Action: 3.14%
(edit: found the last bunch of stats, thanks TW!
)Statistics: Posted by CFlannagan — Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:52 pm
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As far as the SB play, yeah I definitely have the tendency to be a bit too loose from there. But I also think that I occasionally gain some value from limping in on shorthanded pots where I can occasionally either steal on the flop or outplay my small field of opponents. Of course, sometimes I try a bit too hard and just start spewing. I'm fairly certain you've all seen some of my spews, so you know it's a thing to behold!
One other point I'd like to mention. Often while I'm playing, I check my stats for the session using party's stat thing; this is mainly to make sure my VP$IP hasn't reached critical failure levels.
But I also notice that my "Hands won" percentage is almost invariably in the 12-13% range, and since I'm almost always at a full table, this means I generally win slightly more than my fair share. Of course, we all know that trying to win every pot is a sure way to go broke, but nevertheless, I feel that when I'm playing well, these extra pots help somewhat to compensate for my kinda low W$SD. I think that as long as it doesn't turn into a pride thing where my goal becomes to just try and run over a table, this can be an effective style...though not necessarily any moreso than a tighter one that wins fewer hands but spews off less chip in between.I didn't mention my VP$IP in my original post...if anyone is curious, it's around 21%. I realize that a lot of you will tell me to cut back for my own good, but the problem is that I've tried playing a tighter game and for some reason or another, I just can't do it. I think my rather unimpressive winrate with AKo kinda goes to show that. As much as it shames me to admit it, my post-flop play just simply isn't as good as many of the others on this board, so I don't really think I could post a solid winrate by only playing the premium hands. I also think that most of the holes in my postflop play relate more to discipline than to reading skills or fundamental knowledge...so the good news is that if I can ever start consistantly folding ace-high, maybe I can also cut out all that garbage I've been known to boldly enter the pot with!
-TW
Statistics: Posted by TightWad — Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:42 pm
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Well, im not on my computer, so i dont have my PT stats available, but i know a few of em off the top of my head...
My Showdowns won % is like 53% i think, and my BB/100 from the BB -0.10...i dont adopt the piers method of defending with 92o either, but i will make a stone bluff against a button thief if the flop comes something like J62 or 783 or if hes a real loose button raiser and i feel like gamblin, ill try to bluff a flop of Axx.
All that notwithstanding though, i think you probalby call off too much with AK no pair alot. The money you make with AK is going to be from when you hit it, not from when you call it through to the river and it miraculously endsup being good. i generally wont call through to the river unless the player im up against is extremely bluffy, or the board is such that i dont beleive he has anything....like if its 225 or somthing like that.
One of the worst mistakes the mizors make is betting at a PF raiser on a board where obviously the PF raiser missed, but where its very likely that the bettor missed also, and that AK high is still the nuts (like those ragged/paierd boards).
Plainly put-- you call too much you testicle!! I consider myself to be somewhat of a calling station number one, and secondly, i play shorthanded which means i am going to have to call alot more often than you will, and my w/sd is still higher! You have either been running inordinately bad, or else you are just calling to damn much!
Every game is not an MK/TW mizefest where you can school my QT high with a QJ call on the river on an AK board!
As for the blind defense numbers, i dunno- BB defense is largely a matter of opinion and intuition, and all that. As for the SB, i can tellya that i think Tib is pretty much correct on SB play- i play pretty damn tight from the SB and wont call unless i have a hand that i could legitimately play from MP (QJ maybe) or if the pot ius multi way, decent sooted connectors...and i wont call a button raise from the SB with a hand unless its a legitimate MP playing hand probably.
The 'discount' your getting from the SB, esp at 3/6 is not a big one, and also, unlike the BB where you know youll be HU with the button if the SB folds thus increasing your odds to win the pot, if you call with an iffy hand from the SB you are giving the BB 5:1 on his money which is often going to cause him to call, thus futher decreasing your chances of winning the pot, especially if you have a not that great holding in the worst position.
The SB is a shitty place to be, and I am a firm beleiver that, totally unlike the BB, tight is right from the SB.
Theres my 2c - hope you enjoyed it!
Statistics: Posted by MecosKing — Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:23 pm
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Both look real pretty, but I wouldn't bet too hard on either to win a damn thing.
Statistics: Posted by Tiburon — Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:16 am
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