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You have a HUGE equity edge on the flop, but that doesn't always mean you should 3-bet here. When you 3-bet the flop heads-up against the PFR with a K showing, that usually slows down the PFR with his AK or KQ or whatever. With the 77 I usually would call the re-raise, then check-raise the turn and lead the river. That way I gain an extra BB instead of an extra SB (assuming he calls you down to the river in both cases).
Another benefit of turn check-raising is it gives "check protection". That is, when you really need to improve, it makes some people less likely to continue betting. They may check behind out of fear of another CR.
Statistics: Posted by EscapePlan9 — Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:52 pm
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Okay, well, maybe not- whatever. Maybe im just a GAM. Ah well... !
Well, i had a very VERY NIHAN tonight against this dood i was playing 3 handed with. He had just sat down at the table, and i really felt like putting him to the test. Heres how the hand went down:
Dealt to AKsoGay
![[Qd]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Qd.gif "The Queen of Diamonds")
![[Th]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Th.gif "The Ten of Hearts")
]BuckMoe folds.
AKsoGay raises [$15].
tony683 calls [$10].
** Dealing Flop **
![[7d]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/7d.gif "The Seven of Diamonds")
![[9h]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/9h.gif "The Nine of Hearts")
![[9d]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/9d.gif "The Nine of Diamonds")
AKsoGay bets [$10].
tony683 calls [$10].
** Dealing Turn **
![[Ad]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ad.gif "The Ace of Diamonds")
AKsoGay bets [$20].
tony683 raises [$40].
AKsoGay raises [$40].
tony683 raises [$40].
AKsoGay calls [$20].
** Dealing River **
![[8d]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/8d.gif "The Eight of Diamonds")
AKsoGay bets [$20].
tony683 calls [$20].
AKsoGay shows
a flush, ace high.tony683 doesn't show
![[Jc]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Jc.gif "The Jack of Clubs")
![[Ah]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ah.gif "The Ace of Hearts")
] two pairs, aces and nines.AKsoGay wins $259 from the main pot with a flush, ace high.
Man did i get flamed for this one! he was literally all over my ass for the rest of the session! What can you say to this but...NIHAN SAH!
There was a method to my madness here i think-- i thought he was bluffing the ace- yeah thats it, so i three bet him, and when he fourbet me i figured, okay, hes probly got a 9, so ill just call for my flushdraw. And there it was! Hah!!!
He bitched and bitched, and i explained to him that he overplayed his AJ and should have mucked it to my threebet. I also told him that his penis was extremely small, to the point of being ridiculous, and that i think i probably made some rather distasteful insinuations with regard to forcible sexual relations of the avuncular nature.
(avuncular meaning 'of or relating to an uncle or uncle-like')
Statistics: Posted by MecosKing — Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:01 am
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With all that said, I'm not sure if the flop 3-bet or turn 2-bet (I doubt it'd be bet-raise again with 3-bet or cap on flop)) would be better. The turn opens open even more draws, so more people would be likely to call. The flop 3-bet could have chased out someone with just a backdoor flush draw - but really, backdoor flush draws only come in 3% of the time, so it isn't a huge worry. So I could keep in someone who would have folded on the flop, but called any amount of bets on the turn.
I'm not saying I always would call the flop and raise the turn here, just that I'm more apt to consider doing it when it goes bet-raise to me on the flop when I have a monster.
Perhaps TW played it best. He had a huge equity edge on the flop, and even if a flush draw hit he can boat up. I'm not saying he played it wrong. And I don't know if the turn raise would really be any more profitable because less people may call (or more because the pot is large and there's more draws).
Statistics: Posted by EscapePlan9 — Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:34 pm
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I think TW played it decently. I personally would have gone with a flop call and turn raise. I would call the flop bet-raise for numerous reasons: mostly to not scare away people by having to face 3 bets cold and to disguise the strength of my hand. By disguising the strength of my hand the flop might end up 3-bet or capped anyway. And plus, it'd encourage the overpairs to bet the turn allowing me to raise. With a table this loose, most of them will call you with middling pairs, overpairs, and of course straight or flush draws. That turn raise is simply $$$$
Statistics: Posted by EscapePlan9 — Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:12 pm
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Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed)
Preflop: TW is CO with
![[7s]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/7s.gif "The Seven of Spades")
, ![[4d]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/4d.gif "The Four of Diamonds")
. TW posts a blind of $3. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, TW (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB raises, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, TW calls.
Flop: (15 SB)
![[4c]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/4c.gif "The Four of Clubs")
, ![[4h]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/4h.gif "The Four of Hearts")
, ![[6c]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/6c.gif "The Six of Clubs")
(7 players)SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets, MP3 raises, TW 3-bets, SB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.
Turn: (13.50 BB)
![[2h]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/2h.gif "The Two of Hearts")
(4 players)UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, TW bets, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.
River: (17.50 BB)
![[8s]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/8s.gif "The Eight of Spades")
(4 players)UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, TW bets, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.
Final Pot: 21.50 BB
Results in white below:
UTG+2 has Kc 2c (two pair, fours and twos).
MP2 has 9h 9c (two pair, nines and fours).
MP3 has Jc Js (two pair, jacks and fours).
TW has 7s 4d (three of a kind, fours).
Outcome: TW wins 21.50 BB.
BADDA-PHUCKING-BING! Feel free to call me stupid on my preflop call, but before doing so, note that (1) I had 14:1 odds, and (2) I had FANTASTIC position to trap the whole field for bets since the pre-flop raiser was the SB. I was a bit disappointed that he checked, but still...by the way, does anyone think I should've just called on the flop and raised the turn? Mighta been better in hindsight, but this pot was getting big fast and I wanted to do what I could to protect it (at least from weak draws, I know I'm not knocking out a flush or open-ender draw)...still, anyone think I should've waited and let 'em call on the flop, since I could then ideally get to charge the callers 2 bets cold on the turn?
-TW
Statistics: Posted by TightWad — Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:42 pm
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