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Live Poker Forum - Online Poker Forums & Hand Analysis Poker Forum 2005-09-18T22:29:07-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/feed.php?f=12&t=6798&mode 2005-09-18T22:29:07-06:00 2005-09-18T22:29:07-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6798&p=48642#p48642 <![CDATA[Pick apart this KJo hand]]> Statistics: Posted by Nortonesque — Sun Sep 18, 2005 10:29 pm


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2005-09-18T22:05:07-06:00 2005-09-18T22:05:07-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6798&p=48637#p48637 <![CDATA[Pick apart this KJo hand]]> Statistics: Posted by wolvish — Sun Sep 18, 2005 10:05 pm


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2005-09-18T20:38:39-06:00 2005-09-18T20:38:39-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6798&p=48620#p48620 <![CDATA[Pick apart this KJo hand]]>
I think the most important thing to remember when you 3 bet out of the SB yeah, its a good move, as it gets you headsup with the raisor and increases your chances to win and your equity in the pot- however, since you are investing so much in the pot when you do this, you should be relatively sure you are against a mizorly steal attempt when you do it.

Things that indicate this are someone that constantly (once is not constantly!) leans on your blinds, someone who has been shown to be LAGgy already, and when the raise comes from the button. The further from the button the 'steal attempt' is, the less likely it is to be a mizorly attempt to gank the blinds. Granted the CO is still a steal position, and raises from the CO are not to be treated like a raise from MP for example, but its still not quite as suspect as the button raise.

All things considered, i think your move was marginal in terms of EV. If the guys a mizor, i like the move, but to 3bet a guy with KJo ya gotta be pretty sure hes tryin to mize on you. It sounds like you did it without that solid of a read. But in any case, im all about the SB three bet. If you are going to play from the SB, 3 betting is not a bad idea. The ever present question is 'do i play these cards?'

I think id probably at least complete against a possibly mizorly LP raise with KJo. However, the fact that the SB discount at 3/6 is not much of a discount at all is definitely to be considered. Lots of factors, so all in all, i say you certainly didnt play it BAD. It was a pretty close decition between doing what you did and mucking the hand.

Statistics: Posted by MecosKing — Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:38 pm


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2005-09-18T19:21:35-06:00 2005-09-18T19:21:35-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6798&p=48602#p48602 <![CDATA[Pick apart this KJo hand]]>
Once you are in there I don't mind how you played it.

Statistics: Posted by piersmajestyk — Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:21 pm


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2005-09-18T18:52:49-06:00 2005-09-18T18:52:49-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6798&p=48597#p48597 <![CDATA[Pick apart this KJo hand]]>
I would have played it exactly the same way TW did except that I prob woulda bet out on the river just for kicks, then fold to a reraise. Sucks when someone hits their set on what appears to be a steal.

Statistics: Posted by striker2550 — Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:52 pm


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2005-09-18T18:39:02-06:00 2005-09-18T18:39:02-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6798&p=48596#p48596 <![CDATA[Pick apart this KJo hand]]>
I definitely bet the turn, in case he has a lower pair, or is just being stubborn with AJ or maybe A9.

I think I fold the river. I can't really put him on a hand that you beat. He's got to think you have a piece of a QJT board.

Statistics: Posted by Nortonesque — Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:39 pm


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2005-09-18T17:37:21-06:00 2005-09-18T17:37:21-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6798&p=48581#p48581 <![CDATA[Pick apart this KJo hand]]>
I'm posting this because I think my play was questionable on every street, excluding the flop (and even that is only straightforward because of my questionable preflop raise).

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: TW is SB with [Kh], [Jc].
5 folds, CO raises, 1 fold, TW 3-bets, 1 fold, CO calls.

Flop: (7 SB) [Th], [5c], [8s] (2 players)
TW bets, CO calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) [Qh] (2 players)
TW bets, CO raises, TW calls.

River: (8.50 BB) [Js] (2 players)
TW checks, CO bets, TW calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Results in white below:
TW has Kh Jc (one pair, jacks).
CO has Tc Td (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: CO wins 10.50 BB.


PREFLOP : I already made my points above, feel free to argue them.

FLOP : Nothing too interesting, just a standard continuation bet.

TURN : Well, I pick up an OESD which is nice...but after his flop call, do you think I'm best off hitting it again, or checking to avoid paying 2 bets for my draw (as happened)?

RIVER : Is this crying call really worth making?

-TW

Statistics: Posted by TightWad — Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:37 pm


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