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Live Poker Forum - Online Poker Forums & Hand Analysis Poker Forum 2005-12-12T13:53:46-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/feed.php?f=12&t=9452&mode 2005-12-12T13:53:46-06:00 2005-12-12T13:53:46-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=9452&p=70828#p70828 <![CDATA[Too much raising?]]> Statistics: Posted by MecosKing — Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:53 pm


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2005-12-12T12:49:35-06:00 2005-12-12T12:49:35-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=9452&p=70816#p70816 <![CDATA[Too much raising?]]>
Preflop: Hero is CO with [5s], [4s].
UTG raises, MP calls, Hero calls, Button 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG caps, MP calls, Hero calls, Button calls, BB calls.

I'm a tight player, so I don't call a raise even in the CO, and especially not a UTG raise with that trash. When it gets raised twice again before it gets to you again, and you call again, it's a rough play. You're 2.75-to-1 on the first call and 8.25-to-1 or so on the second call. I muck the hand to a raise every time, but that's just me. Not here to criticize your pre-flop play.

Flop: (20.50 SB) [4d], [Qs], [6s] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Hero raises, Button folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

You pick up a baby flush draw and a backdoor open-ender. UTG leads out and you raise. Not a bad play here. I actually like it.

Turn: (14.25 BB) [7c] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG calls, MP calls.

Free card. Like it more. You now have a OESD and the same flush draw. It gets led into you, and your raise again limits the field. You potentially have 9 outs for the flush and 6 more for the open ended, not to mention 2 more for the 4's in the deck to give you trips.

River: (20.25 BB) [Tc] (3 players)
UTG checks, MP bets, Hero calls, UTG folds.

You can't be good here. Just can't. What the hell are you calling this last bet for? I know it's technically correct (19.25-to-1), but your pair of 5s can't possibly be good here.

Statistics: Posted by Tiburon — Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:49 pm


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2005-12-11T22:39:51-06:00 2005-12-11T22:39:51-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=9452&p=70713#p70713 <![CDATA[Too much raising?]]>
I don't like the turn raise. there's zero chance that you'll take this down without a showdown and you're only driving people out and taking a hit on your drawing odds.

river is a fold...

btw - MP's play isnt exactly stellar. guys lke that sometimes try those plays with draws... but with other callers and the preflop action - you should have slowed down

about raising with draws - some good advice from this book i'm reading: mizors such as myself congratulate ourselves when we jam it up heads up with a gutshot and get paid off when we hit, but sometimes we need to realize the play failed miserably as a bluff and even as a free card play. if you do it too often, especially at shorthanded where it feels so right - you're just pumping money in against the odds, because your fold equity drops drastically.

Statistics: Posted by redhouse — Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:39 pm


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2005-12-11T22:30:10-06:00 2005-12-11T22:30:10-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=9452&p=70710#p70710 <![CDATA[Too much raising?]]> Statistics: Posted by The Golden 1 — Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:30 pm


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2005-12-11T22:22:54-06:00 2005-12-11T22:22:54-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=9452&p=70707#p70707 <![CDATA[Too much raising?]]>
Preflop: Hero is CO with [5s], [4s].
UTG raises, MP calls, Hero calls, Button 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG caps, MP calls, Hero calls, Button calls, BB calls.

Flop: (20.50 SB) [4d], [Qs], [6s] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Hero raises, Button folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Turn: (14.25 BB) [7c] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG calls, MP calls.

River: (20.25 BB) [Tc] (3 players)
UTG checks, MP bets, Hero calls, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 22.25 BB

Results in white below:
MP has 9h 9d (one pair, nines).
Hero has 5s 4s (one pair, fours).
Outcome: MP wins 22.25 BB.

Statistics: Posted by shamdonk — Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:22 pm


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