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Since statistically you are behind 70%-80% of the time, and you are out of position, I don't see how I am seeing "monsters under the bed"
The comment that he "must be drawing" because he flat called on 5th is pretty self evident by the card he caught - J. Now he catches good, so he most likely isnt drawing any more. If the guy is bad enough to call wiht a pair and a jack, on 5th, i want to add him to my Christmas card list.
What do you do if you are raised on 6th? You can't fold because you built a pot giving yourself 7.5:1 odds.
What do you call a raise or a bet with on the river?
Razz isn't my best game, I am still learning how to think in it. The twodimes sims are fine, but you have to put some percentages to likely occurence of different scenarios.
If I did my math right, there is only about a 29% chance of that 5 pairing him if he started with an 8 low or better. 21% if you think he would call with 9 to a nine.
So, 70+% of the time you will be betting as a big dog (4:1).
I will run some more numbers later. This hand is interesting. I think the EV here is a in how well you play 6th and 7th, Kind of like blind raising in limit holdem.
Statistics: Posted by Beavis68 — Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:03 am
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Maybe A58, but not really rough hands like 876.
6th you need to go into check call mode. That 5 was bad for your hand, although he checked behind on the river (which was dumb) so it probably saved you a bet ( but he may have checked behind on 6th too.
Statistics: Posted by Beavis68 — Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:25 am
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1) What is you minimum starting hand requirements to play? 6, 7, 8 Low?
2) What do you think of this play? (Probably another "looks fine" hand, but I don't play a lot of Razz)
PokerStars Game #5962358121: HORSE (Razz Limit, $1/$2) - 2006/08/18 - 12:46:18 (ET)
Table 'Luda' 8-max
Seat 1: Zidane Valor ($97.95 in chips)
Seat 2: Lucky_WIns ($38.65 in chips)
Seat 3: 8 PEOPLES ($66.60 in chips)
Seat 4: kleath ($38.20 in chips)
Seat 5: CyborgSHK ($16.20 in chips)
Seat 6: Trikinox ($54.20 in chips)
Seat 7: staldog ($42.25 in chips)
Seat 8: ThadRL ($59.90 in chips)
Trikinox: posts the ante $0.10
staldog: posts the ante $0.10
ThadRL: posts the ante $0.10
Zidane Valor: posts the ante $0.10
Lucky_WIns: posts the ante $0.10
8 PEOPLES: posts the ante $0.10
kleath: posts the ante $0.10
CyborgSHK: posts the ante $0.10
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to Zidane Valor
![[Ac]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ac.gif "The Ace of Clubs")
Dealt to Lucky_WIns
![[3h]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/3h.gif "The Three of Hearts")
Dealt to 8 PEOPLES
![[Ks]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ks.gif "The King of Spades")
Dealt to kleath
![[8d]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/8d.gif "The Eight of Diamonds")
Dealt to CyborgSHK
![[8s]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/8s.gif "The Eight of Spades")
Dealt to Trikinox
![[9s]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/9s.gif "The Nine of Spades")
Dealt to staldog
![[4d]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/4d.gif "The Four of Diamonds")
Dealt to ThadRL
![[2h]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/2h.gif "The Two of Hearts")
![[3s]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/3s.gif "The Three of Spades")
![[4c]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/4c.gif "The Four of Clubs")
8 PEOPLES: brings-in low $0.50
kleath: folds
CyborgSHK: folds
Trikinox: folds
staldog: calls $0.50
ThadRL: raises $0.50 to $1
Zidane Valor: folds
Lucky_WIns: folds
8 PEOPLES: folds
staldog: calls $0.50
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to staldog
![[3c]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/3c.gif "The Three of Clubs")
Dealt to ThadRL
![[6s]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/6s.gif "The Six of Spades")
8 PEOPLES leaves the table
staldog: checks
ThadRL: bets $1
staldog: calls $1
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to staldog
![[Jh]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Jh.gif "The Jack of Hearts")
Dealt to ThadRL
![[Th]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Th.gif "The Ten of Hearts")
ThadRL: bets $2
staldog: calls $2
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to staldog
![[5d]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/5d.gif "The Five of Diamonds")
Dealt to ThadRL
![[3d]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/3d.gif "The Three of Diamonds")
ThadRL: bets $2
staldog: calls $2
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to ThadRL
![[4h]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/4h.gif "The Four of Hearts")
ThadRL: checks
staldog: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
staldog: shows [8c 2d 4d 3c Jh 5d 2s] (Lo: 8,5,4,3,2)
ThadRL: mucks hand
staldog collected $12.80 from pot
Statistics: Posted by Marm — Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:58 am
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