2) They have the best hand and you draw out on them - no worries here
3) They fold and you get the pot right away - NO!
#3 is called "Folding Equity". The last thing you want to have your opponet do is fold when you make quads. But since this is the river - no more betting rounds after this one, you want to get paid at least something more. I would try to make a bet w/ very little folding equity - a very small bet. Perhaps someone will even take it as a blocking bet, like Iceman wrote about, and pop you back.
Mike
Statistics: Posted by Braniff — Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:57 pm
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I have had quads three times recently. In general, I play as slow as I can at first and build a little pot and try for some fifth street play. When you have so much that no one else has much, be happy with whatever money you can get in there.
I check at first or make a weak lead smaller than usual bet. On fourth, I might make a bet that is silly in it's smallness, suspictious.
Once I had 7, 6 suited in a very small game against a man with a little over a hundred. If flopped 9,6,6, and I bet $5 into a $!0 pot. He called. It came 6 giving me quads. I checked, he bet $20, I called. it came a deuce and I suddenly moved in about $70. He said you probably have quads before he called.
Yesterday, I flopped the quads to a K,K,10 flop. I bet ten into a twenty dollar pot. He called, an Ace came and I checked he bet 50, I raise 50, he gets about 60 more in.
Once in a big game with me short stacked, the flop comes three Aces and I have the case Ace. It is checked all the way to fifth and another man sets me in. He got hot.
From now on, when I flop a monster hand, I'm playing possum as long as possible. Let them dream up something or bluff at it. I flopped a full with a Q,Q,J flop in first chair and checked it every time and cold called a man who steamed through the pot with nothing.
When you have a monster hand, especially with position, you can play a waiting game all the way to fifth sometimes. When you flop a set, that is not a monster hand and should be protected against draws. Johnny Hughes
Statistics: Posted by Johnny Hughes — Thu Nov 25, 2004 9:35 pm
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FLOP: Jc 8d Jd
I am not at all happy with my kicker but gladly will play the hand. Pot is 8 dollars and I put out a 5 dollar bet.
It is smooth called by 2 others. This disappointed me because I thought 5 dollars was enough to get reraised by a better J kicker or even a flush draw.
Why were you disappointed - isn't this the very best outcome for you?
I would have thought a re-raise would be tricky for you with that 9 kicker - I would read flat calls as meaning an 8, an overpair (or badplayer with underpair), a flush draw (most likely) or a straight draw. I would read a re-raise as probably meaning you are beat (by pocket 88 or Jack with better kicker).
Maybe a hyper-aggressive player would do the old all in trick with AdKd or AdQd but such a player would surely have raised pre-flop and the pair on the board must put him off - he can't view an ace or king/queen as an out.
Statistics: Posted by excession — Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:35 am
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![[Jh]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Jh.gif "The Jack of Hearts")
[Js], the button limps and both blinds play.The pot is $5. The flop comes
![[Jc]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Jc.gif "The Jack of Clubs")
[Jd][9c]. SB bets $2, EP calls and I callPot is $11. The turn is the
![[Th]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Th.gif "The Ten of Hearts")
. SB checks, EP checks and I bet $5. Only EP callsPot is $21. The river is the
![[2h]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/2h.gif "The Two of Hearts")
. EP now bets $7 (blocking bet). I raise all in which makes it something like $40 to him. He had ![[Qd]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Qd.gif "The Queen of Diamonds")
[8s] calls with his straight.The moral is dont be afraid to make big bets just because YOU would never call that bet. People WANT to call.
Statistics: Posted by iceman5 — Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:04 pm
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I'd take the same line as MadG. Push all-in and pray for a call. I can't see a flush calling but if one of them has an 8 you might get an early Christmas gift!
Aquifex
Statistics: Posted by aquifex — Thu Nov 18, 2004 2:50 pm
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