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Live Poker Forum - Online Poker Forums & Hand Analysis Poker Forum 2004-11-23T22:37:33-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/feed.php?f=5&t=166&mode 2004-11-23T22:37:33-06:00 2004-11-23T22:37:33-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=166&p=915#p915 <![CDATA[Alway raise when holding the obvious nuts?]]> Statistics: Posted by Johnny Hughes — Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:37 pm


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2004-11-19T16:53:09-06:00 2004-11-19T16:53:09-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=166&p=677#p677 <![CDATA[Alway raise when holding the obvious nuts?]]> Statistics: Posted by iceman5 — Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:53 pm


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2004-11-19T16:06:27-06:00 2004-11-19T16:06:27-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=166&p=672#p672 <![CDATA[Straight...dumb...]]> Statistics: Posted by Danhdan — Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:06 pm


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2004-11-19T07:43:05-06:00 2004-11-19T07:43:05-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=166&p=644#p644 <![CDATA[Alway raise when holding the obvious nuts?]]> Statistics: Posted by kennyg — Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:43 am


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2004-11-19T07:18:43-06:00 2004-11-19T07:18:43-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=166&p=639#p639 <![CDATA[Alway raise when holding the obvious nuts?]]>
basically, it was unraised all the way, and thus there was about 3 bucks in the pot. By the river, the board was showing Tc Jh Qc Kd Ac.

It was checked to me, and I moved all in for my whole stack.... The next player to act berated me for feeding the rake and called. The other player, perhaps swayed by the words of the first gentleman, pushed it in too. I'm sure they were even more livid when I turned over Kc 9c for the flush, and both mucked their royal straights :-).

I like it even more that they both risked $100 stacks to win back their share of three bucks, three ways, minus rake :-). If my reckoning is correct, they both would have been as well off by folding than by calling the bet at the end, even if a flush wasnt out. Calls with a maximum EV of 0 and a minimum EV of -100 BB's... I couldnt stop laughing :wink:

Monk
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Statistics: Posted by Felonius_Monk — Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:18 am


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2004-11-19T07:08:37-06:00 2004-11-19T07:08:37-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=166&p=637#p637 <![CDATA[Alway raise when holding the obvious nuts?]]>
But, you HAVE to go all in here, you just HAVE to. NEVER check it down or call down, even if you're certain he's got the other ace.

EVEN IF you both turn over and split, the advertising value of showing the move, plus the "piss your opponent off" value of "costing him the rake" make the play +ve EV.

The value you gain from some plays may not be direct, but if it costs you so little to make the move (probably less than a buck, maybe even nothing if the rake is already capped, as it would be by now on a $100NL table), the intangible value you get from showing down the play makes it well worth it.

When you add in the one time in 10 that a total fish shows down a weaker hand (or the one time in 100 when a player who's splitting accidentally clicks fold or loses his connection!) then it's +ve EV all the way. Of course, there's always the tiniest chance of JJ but I think the advantages I've detailed more than cover the money you'd lose in that highly unlikely scenario.

Monk
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Statistics: Posted by Felonius_Monk — Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:08 am


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2004-11-19T04:35:48-06:00 2004-11-19T04:35:48-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=166&p=631#p631 <![CDATA[People constantly complaining...]]>
Push more money in and make sure you are paying that rake while hopefully, your opponent is paying you! :)

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2004-11-19T03:01:03-06:00 2004-11-19T03:01:03-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=166&p=629#p629 <![CDATA[Alway raise when holding the obvious nuts?]]> Statistics: Posted by kennyg — Fri Nov 19, 2004 3:01 am


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2004-11-19T00:53:04-06:00 2004-11-19T00:53:04-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=166&p=627#p627 <![CDATA[Alway raise when holding the obvious nuts?]]> Statistics: Posted by JackLucifer — Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:53 am


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