As to your opponnats play, my feeling is he thought you had the best hand and was protecting it as he should. He probably thought you had a big to mid PP and was afraid that you had the one card flush draw and he didnt want to let you draw at it. If he was critquing your play he probably was frustrated enough that he wanted to get all his money in to beat you.
Final thought, you said that this guy called you overagressive by raising the flop bet with a flush draw to get to see a free card. This is usually a strong play not and overagressive play and usually a sign of a player that knows what he/she is doing.
Statistics: Posted by Rhound50 — Mon Dec 27, 2004 12:43 pm
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Statistics: Posted by tetsuo — Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:30 am
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Statistics: Posted by iceman5 — Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:21 am
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I was confused by his table talk. Yeah, he's called me too aggressive, so maybe he thinks that I will definitely bite and pay him off on a flopped flush, ergo he must have it! You can doublethink everything if you try hard enough
Statistics: Posted by tetsuo — Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:04 am
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Tough hand. I bet you felt really virtuous when you laid it down -- look, I'm so good I can even lay down AA! (I know I would have.
) Ah well, live & learn.Statistics: Posted by k3nt — Mon Dec 27, 2004 10:50 am
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Kalle: Definitely. I've seen people do that many times before - a flush made with small suited connectors trying to shut a higher flush draw out. This was one thing that crossed my mind and maybe did lend that extra little bit of credance to the notion that he did have the flush.
At the time, I just couldn't bring myself to commit all that money as a possible underdog drawing to a house. I can't believe that anyone can reasonably say 'if you are convinced he has the flush, call anyway because you are only a 2:1 dog'. No-one wants to stick their money in as that much of an underdog.
So in a way I'm happy with my decision to lay it down because I was convinced he had the flush. After all, you've got to go with your instincts, no?
But I'm not happy with my instincts
and should've reasoned it out more before making a decision. And that's where all your advice has come in useful - thanks guys.Statistics: Posted by tetsuo — Mon Dec 27, 2004 10:27 am
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I would overbet the pot with a flush in this hand (I don't have the king of clubs). If you have a set (which you can't fold) I want to get my money in as a favourite and if you have the king of clubs I don't want to give you a cheap draw. If I raise to 30 and the turn is another club or the board pairs I wouldn't know what to do.
Statistics: Posted by Kalle — Mon Dec 27, 2004 3:22 am
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Are you playing with an adequate bankroll for the limits you're playing? If you are, I can't imagine making a laydown like this.
Had you taken a series of bad beats recently prior to this?
This is meant as constructive criticism, not to offend you. Just my only possible explanations for laying a hand like that down.
Statistics: Posted by Atorvastatin — Mon Dec 27, 2004 2:34 am
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, but you are still more than a 2-1 favorite. Any other hand you are a huge favorite over.Statistics: Posted by Mad Genius — Sun Dec 26, 2004 11:22 pm
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Another good tell that he doesnt have the flush is the reraise. Why overbet the pot with a reraise if he flops the flush? If he flopped the flush he wants you to call, he is a 3:1 favorite and you have another $60 behind you that he doesnt really want you to fold. He thinks your a really agressive player he has to think with a smooth call on the flop and position on you that a call from him and another big bet on the turn has you pot committed and he will have a good chance to have all your chips.
Reason #2, the over bet reraise screams to me I'm protecting my hand against draw. This might make sense if he had the straight but not if he flopped the flush. Even if he flopped the straight the overbet of the pot is a bad player because he could betting into a drawing dead situation.
Statistics: Posted by Rhound50 — Sun Dec 26, 2004 5:10 pm
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I reasoned that he *must* know that I have AA because of the reraise, so it completely befuddled and baffled the hell out of me how he could go all in with such a massive risk to himself without having me beat.
I mean, this is PokerStars, guys, not Party... NL 50 at 'Stars positively squeaks at times. And this guy had not been seen with his hand in the till, either.
But.. grumble grumble...you are of course correct and if I had thought about it past the slap-in-the-face shock of it all, I would have realized that he could not possibly have called me preflop without a pair or AK, so he could not have a made flush.
I folded, he showed
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[Kd]. Not even a ![[c]](http://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/clubs.gif "Clubs")
.Lesson learned. 500 lines of "I will NEVER fold top set on the flop in a raised pot" to be written on the blackboard..
Statistics: Posted by tetsuo — Sun Dec 26, 2004 4:37 pm
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[Jd].I call.
Statistics: Posted by iceman5 — Sun Dec 26, 2004 4:02 pm
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This is an autocall. With the money in the pot, even if he flips over a flush (or a straight with a high club) before you decide you still almost have to call, as you're about 35% to fill up (I think everyone can do the math). Given that a push here could mean a lot of things (pair + flush draw, two pair, a worse set), a call is in order I believe.
Eric
Statistics: Posted by Gishaclaus — Sun Dec 26, 2004 3:59 pm
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