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Live Poker Forum - Online Poker Forums & Hand Analysis Poker Forum 2004-12-29T18:17:57-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/feed.php?f=5&t=696&mode 2004-12-29T18:17:57-06:00 2004-12-29T18:17:57-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=696&p=3541#p3541 <![CDATA[Two interesting Paradise 200NL hands]]>
He has said in his notes the guy wasn't a calling station....and I couldn't see anyone that wasn't a calling station, call an $80 bet cold with a draw. That is an insanely huge bet. Whevnever I bet huge like that and get called....I'm done unless I hold top set or the guy is a maniac/monster calling station.

Statistics: Posted by kennyg — Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:17 pm


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2004-12-29T16:55:16-06:00 2004-12-29T16:55:16-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=696&p=3539#p3539 <![CDATA[Two interesting Paradise 200NL hands]]>

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2004-12-29T15:59:12-06:00 2004-12-29T15:59:12-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=696&p=3537#p3537 <![CDATA[Two interesting Paradise 200NL hands]]>
There are 13-15 clean outs to the flush/straight (some of them fill me up, of course he doesn't necessarily know this), and there are 44-46 cards unaccounted for (depending on how accurately he puts me on a hand).

So he's pretty close to having a 1 in 3 chance of making his hand on the river, ie 2:1 odds.

Or have I made a terrible mistake?

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2004-12-29T15:45:22-06:00 2004-12-29T15:45:22-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=696&p=3533#p3533 <![CDATA[Two interesting Paradise 200NL hands]]> Statistics: Posted by Bob314 — Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:45 pm


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2004-12-29T14:12:14-06:00 2004-12-29T14:12:14-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=696&p=3523#p3523 <![CDATA[Two interesting Paradise 200NL hands]]> Statistics: Posted by Mad Genius — Wed Dec 29, 2004 2:12 pm


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2004-12-29T12:33:58-06:00 2004-12-29T12:33:58-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=696&p=3518#p3518 <![CDATA[Two interesting Paradise 200NL hands]]> )

(1) Say I raise to $40 (more?) on the flop and she calls. The pot is now about $100. The turn comes 8 as before, and she bets out $X. (I have $150 left at this point)

How big does X have to be before you fold? If you call/raise, what's the plan for the river?

(2) Say I raise to to $40 (or whatever), and she moves in for the rest of my $150. This is a fold, right? With $200 stacks in Paradise, which is full of weak-tight-nut-peddling puddings (slightly overstated for dramatic effect)? Or am I just being weak tight myself?

In hand 1 ... having read everyone's responses, it seems to me that if I think there's a reasonable chance he plays a set like that it's a fold, otherwise it's a crying call with 1/3 chance of being ahead, and odds of 3.75:1?

Most people think he wouldn't play a set like that, kennyg thinks he would, it felt like a set to me at the time, now I'm not so sure...

Following excession's post, I determined from PT that his PFAR is 2.4 on the flop and 4.0 on the turn - which I guess is some evidence that he was drawing?

Kennyg, if the river blanked off, what would you have done?

[EDIT] Incidentally, if he did have the flush and straight draw, his cold call on the turn is OK I think (someone suggested it was poor) - he has 13-15 outs, so pot odds for the call, and either he'll be able to bluff me with 7 more (diamonds if he has hearts etc), if I'm tight; or he'll get paid off on many/all of his outs if I'm loose. The fact that there's either implied odds or bluffing equity seems to turn a = EV call into a positive one (and moving all in is -EV I think, provided I always call).

Statistics: Posted by Smokin'Al — Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:33 pm


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2004-12-29T12:03:11-06:00 2004-12-29T12:03:11-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=696&p=3515#p3515 <![CDATA[Two interesting Paradise 200NL hands]]> Statistics: Posted by kennyg — Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:03 pm


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2004-12-29T08:11:00-06:00 2004-12-29T08:11:00-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=696&p=3508#p3508 <![CDATA[Two interesting Paradise 200NL hands]]> Statistics: Posted by excession — Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:11 am


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2004-12-29T03:51:28-06:00 2004-12-29T03:51:28-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=696&p=3490#p3490 <![CDATA[Two interesting Paradise 200NL hands]]> Statistics: Posted by Mad Genius — Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:51 am


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2004-12-28T22:55:04-06:00 2004-12-28T22:55:04-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=696&p=3484#p3484 <![CDATA[Two interesting Paradise 200NL hands]]> Statistics: Posted by Bob314 — Tue Dec 28, 2004 10:55 pm


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2004-12-28T21:59:48-06:00 2004-12-28T21:59:48-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=696&p=3480#p3480 <![CDATA[Two interesting Paradise 200NL hands]]> Statistics: Posted by Smokin'Al — Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:59 pm


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2004-12-28T21:35:17-06:00 2004-12-28T21:35:17-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=696&p=3478#p3478 <![CDATA[Two interesting Paradise 200NL hands]]> Statistics: Posted by iceman5 — Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:35 pm


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2004-12-28T21:05:59-06:00 2004-12-28T21:05:59-06:00 http://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=696&p=3476#p3476 <![CDATA[Two interesting Paradise 200NL hands]]> Statistics: Posted by Smokin'Al — Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:05 pm


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