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2/4 - HP - AQs on flush draw

Postby NWCougar » Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:07 pm

2/4 - HP

Seat 2: Fratricide [Ac],[Qc]

ANTES/BLINDS
soupyCnote posts blind ($1), Fratricide posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
KingMoorehed calls $2, fold, neccawafer bets $4, fold, fold, ucantblufme9 bets $6, fold, fold, Fratricide calls $4, KingMoorehed folds, neccawafer bets $4, ucantblufme9 calls $2, Fratricide calls $2.

FLOP [4c],[5c],[Ts]
Fratricide checks, neccawafer bets $2, ucantblufme9 calls $2, Fratricide calls $2.

TURN [Kh]
Fratricide checks, neccawafer bets $4, ucantblufme9 bets $8, Fratricide calls $8, neccawafer folds.

RIVER [7s]
Fratricide checks, ucantblufme9 bets $4, Fratricide folds.

SHOWDOWN
ucantblufme9 wins $55.

1 - Was my play on the flop too weak?
2 - should I have folded preflop?
3 - Did I take this draw too far?
4 - Turn call bad?
5 - Bison's converter isn't working, anyone know what the deal is?
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Postby Xaston » Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:24 pm

Wow. I can't imagine playing so passively. Calling 2 cold from the BB with AQs is not bad at all. I like a flop check raise here. You have chaotic amounts of equity. The turn card is good and bad. You pick up a gutshot, but more or less lose your chances to win with a Q. Folding on that turn would be pretty terrible.
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Postby NWCougar » Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:23 pm

Passively how? should I have raised? and where?
also this hand made up for that. I'm surprised at how bad some are at 2/4

Seat 2: Fratricide [Qs],[As]

PRE-FLOP
fold, soupyCnote calls $2, Fratricide bets $4, fold, textibule calls $4, folds, Mikejack1 bets $6, fold, Litmanne calls $4, fold, Fratricide calls $2, textibule calls $2.

FLOP [Ad], [7d], [6h]
Litmanne checks, Fratricide bets $2, textibule folds, Mikejack1 calls $2, Litmanne calls $2.

TURN [2c]
Litmanne checks, Fratricide bets $4, Mikejack1 calls $4, Litmanne calls $3.60 and is all-in.

RIVER [8c]
Fratricide bets $4, Mikejack1 calls $4.

SHOWDOWN
Fratricide shows [Qs], [As]
Mikejack1 mucks cards
Litmanne mucks cards
Fratricide wins $50.60.

I wish I knew what they had, I assume one was on a flush draw and the other maybe AJ or AT. Was my play here better with the aggression?
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Postby MecosKing » Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:43 pm

Passively, as in you shouldve raised to flop. Especially in a 3 way pot with over cards and the nutflush draw, the raise is for value since the flush will get there 35% of the time, + whatever overcard outs you have also, at least 3 probably. Also, if you raised the flop and the turn came a total blank, you couldve bet it down and possibly won the pot off an AK, or else possibly made the BB muck a crappy pair. You need to maximize your fold equity in a pot like that, since that flop probably missed everyone unless the raisor has an overpair (which is of course possible). And even if it hit the BB, he'd have a hard time calling you down with anything but a T, especially with the raisor still behind him. And if there was a hand out there that was going to call you, then oh well, youd have called the turn anyway, and if your gonna call anyway, you might as well bet. Of course

Of course when the K hit, and you were faced with a raise, there wasnt much to do but call and fold when you miss. Point is that even if the K didnt hit and that guy didnt make a hand, you still wouldntve won the pot, and you mightve had you pushed your hand harder and the K didnt fall. It would have been a total disaster if the K didnt come and you checked and lost to an AK
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Postby NWCougar » Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:53 pm

Thanks for that great reply. How was my play on the second hand?
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