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Postby Big_Leon » Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:08 am

After reading through Piers BB defense posts and giving this some thought I think under the right scenario his defense with trash hands makes very good sense. It's still very dependent on your opponent and the flop. Here goes...

Well crap, these hands were played on PokerPlex and the hand converter doesn't seem to recognize them. Sorry.

Hand #1
Game #827228433: Texas Hold'em Limit ($1/$2) - 2005/08/11 - 02:55:47 (UK)
Table "Cobalt" Seat 9 is the button.
Seat 1: big_leon ($51.50 in chips)
Seat 2: kira1 ($7 in chips)
Seat 3: cHack ($54.50 in chips)
Seat 4: weird_guy ($79 in chips)
Seat 5: WSULeifJ ($30 in chips)
Seat 6: Tammed ($66.25 in chips)
Seat 7: AbuDawg ($36 in chips)
Seat 8: macca522 ($36.25 in chips)
Seat 9: giantpnda ($54.75 in chips)
Seat 10: ><)))*> ($28.75 in chips)
><)))*>: posts small blind $0.50
big_leon: posts big blind $1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to big_leon [7s 4s]
kira1: folds
cHack: folds
weird_guy: folds
Tammed: folds
AbuDawg: folds
macca522: folds
giantpnda: folds
><)))*>: raises $1.50
big_leon: calls $1
----- FLOP ----- [9c Ks 9h]
><)))*>: bets $1
big_leon: raises $2
><)))*>: folds
Returned uncalled bets $1 to big_leon
big_leon: doesn't show hand
big_leon collected $5.75 from Main pot

Hand #2
Game #829964193: Texas Hold'em Limit ($1/$2) - 2005/08/11 - 17:36:23 (UK)
Table "Monarchos" Seat 9 is the button.
Seat 1: big_leon ($67.25 in chips)
Seat 2: laszlo ($27 in chips)
Seat 3: kt8681 ($80 in chips)
Seat 4: La_cour ($24.50 in chips)
Seat 5: slim46 ($215.75 in chips)
Seat 6: brutusg ($69.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Smurfette ($2 in chips)
Seat 8: RW_FCP ($96.75 in chips)
Seat 9: Michael02 ($102 in chips)
Seat 10: BramBoy1 ($35.50 in chips)
BramBoy1: posts small blind $0.50
big_leon: posts big blind $1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to big_leon [8h 6s]
laszlo: folds
La_cour: folds
slim46: folds
brutusg: folds
Smurfette: folds
RW_FCP: raises $2
Michael02: folds
BramBoy1: folds
big_leon: calls $1
----- FLOP ----- [4h 7c Tc]
big_leon: checks
RW_FCP: bets $1
big_leon: raises $2
Smurfette leaves the table
RW_FCP: calls $1
----- TURN ----- [4h 7c Tc][6c]
big_leon: bets $2
RW_FCP: calls $2
----- RIVER ----- [4h 7c Tc 6c][Qd]
big_leon: bets $2
RW_FCP: folds
Returned uncalled bets $2 to big_leon
big_leon: doesn't show hand
big_leon collected $12 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $12.50 Main pot $12 Rake $0.50
Board [4h 7c Tc 6c Qd]
Seat 1: big_leon (big blind) collected $12

Should I have made that river bet when the Q fell? In the heat of the moment I just fired another shot but now I wonder if at that point I should have maybe check/called. Not sure.

Hand #3
Game #833018273: Texas Hold'em Limit ($1/$2) - 2005/08/12 - 00:16:04 (UK)
Table "Mobile" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 1: A_mystery ($83.12 in chips)
Seat 2: Royalwchz ($33.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Mong-Raa ($72 in chips)
Seat 4: Nowhammie ($55.76 in chips)
Seat 5: big_leon ($49 in chips)
Seat 6: mogwai ($63.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Staerk20 ($48.25 in chips)
Seat 8: zlatan87 ($63.75 in chips)
Seat 9: RW_FCP ($110.75 in chips)
Seat 10: TanchikU ($24 in chips)
Mong-Raa: posts small blind $0.50
Nowhammie sits out
big_leon: posts big blind $1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to big_leon [3s 5c]
mogwai: folds
Staerk20: folds
zlatan87: folds
RW_FCP: folds
TanchikU: folds
A_mystery: folds
Royalwchz: raises $2
Mong-Raa: folds
big_leon: calls $1
----- FLOP ----- [Ks 4c Js]
big_leon: checks
Royalwchz: bets $1
big_leon: folds
Returned uncalled bets $1 to Royalwchz
Royalwchz: doesn't show hand
Royalwchz collected $4.50 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $4.50 Main pot $4.50 Rake $0
Board [Ks 4c Js]
Seat 1: A_mystery folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Royalwchz (button) collected $4.50

To me this did not seem like a good flop to continue with. Way too likely that this helped him and I didn't think I should play back. Comments?
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Postby kingsalami » Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:22 am

Vinny: Why are we stopped here? What's wrong with that spot?
Tyrone: It's too tight.
Vinny: Too tight? You could land a jumbo f*cking jet in that.
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Postby briachek » Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:36 am

I like it. I think you did well and recognized when to try for it and when not to.
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Postby piersmajestyk » Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:17 am

Very nice. Many times I will check the river if after CR the flop and betting the turn I still get called IF I have a piece of the board. This allows for some good thing to happen, if you are beat he may be afraid to bet the river at you saving you a bet, if you are ahead and he has nothing he might attempt a last ditch steal which you can call but which he wouldn't have called your bet. Depending on the board and likely draws that your opponent could have I may or may not fire a bet at the river with nothing, that is a more tricky situation.

Also as I said there is no crime in calling the raise preflop and check folding if the board is not to your liking. You don't have to play back everytime. Hands that I will VERY likely fold from the BB are hands that contain a broadway card or even two in them when faced with playing HU against an early position raise from a solid opponent.

Continued good luck.
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