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Postby BKAZ » Sun Apr 10, 2005 9:14 pm

First a good one. My opponent shows tight aggressive in PT but I think his preflop raise with this holding is marginal.

See What you think.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with [Ad], [Qs].
4 folds, MP2 =#A500AF(Tight Aggressive)/ raises, Hero calls, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) [Qd], [Qh], [3h] (3 players)
BB checks, Tight Aggressive checks, Hero bets, BB folds, Tight Aggressive calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) [5h] (2 players)
Tight Aggressive checks, Hero bets, Tight Aggressive raises, Hero calls.

River: (8.25 BB) [Ks] (2 players)
Tight Aggressive bets, Hero raises, Tight Aggressive calls.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

Results in white below:
Tight Aggressive has Qc 9c (three of a kind, queens).
Hero has Ad Qs (three of a kind, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.25 BB.


Now for one that I knew I was beat but couldn't fold because the pot was so big. Cant believe I actually won. Would most of you guys fold this on the flop, turn, river. What do you think of my play. Pretty fishy I think.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with [Ad], [Ks].
UTG =#A500AF(Bone Head #1)/ calls, UTG+1 =#A500AF(Bone Head #3)/ raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 5 folds, UTG =#A500AF(Bone Head #1)/ calls, UTG+1 =#A500AF(Bone Head #3)/ caps, Hero calls, UTG =#A500AF(Bone Head #1)/ calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) [5s], [7d], [Qc] (3 players)
Bone Head #1 checks, Bone Head #3 bets, Hero calls, Bone Head #1 calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) [3h] (3 players)
Bone Head #1 checks, Bone Head #3 bets, Hero calls, Bone Head #1 folds.

River: (10.25 BB) [Qh] (2 players)
Bone Head #3 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

Results in white below:
Bone Head #3 has As 9d (one pair, queens).
Hero has Ad Ks (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.25 BB.


Now back to reality and what I was up against all night. I knew I was Ahead on the flop. The turn was a catch 22, made my set but completed the flush draw, and then the nail in my coffin was what seemed like a blank on the river. This bone head defended his blind with THAT????

Oh well.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with [Ks], [Kh]. CO posts a blind of $2.
UTG raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 6 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) [6c], [2d], [9c] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (9.75 BB) [Kc] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (12.75 BB) [5s] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB raises, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16.75 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 8c 7h (straight, nine high).
Hero has Ks Kh (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: BB wins 16.75 BB.


Last one, ths wasn't too long after my set of K's above got cracked. Could hardly think straight after this one.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with [Qd], [Qh].
4 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8 SB) [5c], [Qs], [4c] (4 players)
SB bets, BB folds, CO calls, Hero raises, SB calls, CO calls.

Turn: (7 BB) [2h] (3 players)
SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB raises, CO folds, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, Hero calls.

River: (15 BB) [9c] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 3c As (straight, five high).
Hero has Qd Qh (three of a kind, queens).
Outcome: SB wins 17 BB.


All comments welcome. Trying to get better 8-) !!!

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Postby Cactus Jack » Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:48 am

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Postby briachek » Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:23 am

Hand 1 - pretty well played. Depending on how solid I thought the player was, I might not have gotten the one extra big bet.

Hand 2 - I likely raise the flop and bet the turn to check down the river but if your read is solid, calling him down isn't bad.

Hand 3 - just a tough break there. It really sucks to have such a good hand go down in flames.

Hand 4 - Well played except I might have checked down the river. He capped on the turn so the straight wasn't out of the question but I guess that would mean he would bet a gutshot on the flop. I guess its easier to put him on a lower set than the straight so I guess the river bet was likely correct. Just brutal though.
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Postby Drade » Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:48 pm

Hand 1 : I'm not much of a fan of this hand, from either of you. A quick comment on him being "tight-aggressive". Tight aggressive players generally aren't raising in MP with Q-9s. This we know. Now, this could have been a promo play or maybe he felt he was getting enough respect and was loosening up, I don't know. It matters only in how I would play AQo here. If he's truly tight aggressive, a fold could be in order. If he's a "raise when first in" type, then a three bet is often correct. It's merits being, your position and taking control of the hand, allowing you to win more pots when you both miss. Obviously, AQ plays marginally ok against hands a tight player will raise and pretty well against hand the looser player will raise with. Just something to consider.

On the flop, great flop for you. You've got basically the nuts, since raising with two three's would be rather questionable for him. Played fine. Again, tight-aggressive's don't usually raise pre flop and then check the flop. What did you put him on when he check-called? A flush draw, two overs, the case queen? The problem is that it's a pretty slim drawing board and he's played his hand very oddly.

The turn is a pretty bad card. If he was drawing to the flush, he just got there. I would have played it probably the same way, though a more conservative player may have checked. At issue is what could he have to just call a bet here? As stated, that was a pretty draw free board, except for the flush that just got there. If he hit it, he's going to check-raise. If he has, say pocket 10's, he'll probably fold to your bet. Like I said, I make this bet all the time and I'm pretty sure it's a leak, there's just very little to gain from it.

The river I just don't understand. Why did you raise him? If you thought he didn't have a flush, why didn't you cap the turn and charge him if he was drawing only to one heart? Additionally, with his PF raise, he could have Kings or KQ even, and with the flush draw out, it seems like a risky raise on the end. Perhaps I'm missing something?

Hand 2 : I really dislike this hand also. Calling anybody down with an unimproved AK is ballsy. The presence of the third player makes this completely unprofitable. Not to say that I've never shown down an unimproved AK, but when I do, it's always when I'm the aggressor against one opponent, and always for as cheap as possible. You called these players bonehead 1 and 3, but you didn't really explain why. Were they just loose, ultra-aggressive every hand, completely hopeless? Keep in mind that even bad players get good hands too, and bad players tend to take their mediocre hands too far. Seems to me that too often you're going to get shown 8's or 9's here and lose the pot. Your comment that the pot was too big for you to fold seems like poor justification IMO. A good example of this would be you've got Q's and have raised preflop, bet the flop and turn, and then an ace hits the river and somebody who's been calling leads into you. You'll lose this hand a fair amount of the time, but you only have to win it a few times to make it break even. In this spot though, this player has been aggressive on every street and you've got just ace high. There's very little that you can beat. The fact that you somehow won this hand amazes me.

Hand three : I mostly like everything you've done here. The turn card is pretty poor, but you have some full house outs and you may still have the best hand. The river play is a little questionable. The question really is how many times are you going to be called by a worse hand here and how many times are you going to be raised by a better hand, because you're going to have to pay this off. With that final board, and TWO players still in, I'd probably check and take the cheap showdown, just too much danger for me.


Hand 4 : That completely sucks. Nothing you can do. The one thing I've learned from all the 2/4 I've played at party is that when somebody randomly comes to life, they virtually always have the hand they're representing, regardless of how bad a play it was for them to get there. Not that I would fold this hand, because they could just as easily have a smaller set, but had they kept coming at me on the river, I would have slowed down.


I hope none of these come off too harsh, that's not the intent. Just giving my two cents and trying to help.

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Postby BKAZ » Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:37 pm

Thanks for the feedback and analysis. I really appreciate the detailed analysis Drade.
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