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Hand analysis - a few 3/6 hands for your perusal!

Postby Felonius_Monk » Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:27 pm

A few that I recall. Don't have HHs to hand at work.

Hand 1:

Dealt Jh 6h in BB.

Poor loose player (VPIP 50+, lot of raising) raises first in from CO. Button calls, SB folds. I decide to defend because he's a bad player and I read somewhere that defending your BB for one raise with any two suited cards is marginally profitable?

Flop comes Ah 5h Tc. I check, CO bets, button and I both call.

Turn brings 8h. I have 3rd nut flush. I check, intending to let both players in and maybe raise. CO bets, button raises. He is tight, has done nothing odd so far. VPIP was in the early 20s, not aggressive postflop. Flush seems likely and given preflop calling 2 cold it's hard to put him on a lower one, though I guess trips or two pair AT is possible vs the LAG. Calling also lets in the CO with presumably no outs.

River 6s. I decide to bet out, don't want this checked down and if button is going to raise I want CO to call one bet first. CO calls, button raises and I call. Anyone get more aggressive here? I guess the additional money from the CO calling a 3-bet would mean my flush only needs to be good about half the time for it to be +EV. Button has raised every chance since the flush fell though. Thoughts?

Button had T8s and so my jack flush won. I think I played this well, but was I too timid? I probably missed like 4BBs on the last two streets . Bear in mind the button's very solid image so far.

Hand 2:

I get KK in MP. One limper, I raise. Limper is only caller, this table is tight. He is rocky, 13% VPIP and not a lot of aggression. Flop comes 346 with two diamonds or such like. I have Kd. He checks, I bet, he raises, I 3-bet. I'm A-OK with this and wouldn't mind a cap, don't want to give free cards to a possible A-high flush draw or something. He calls the 3-bet.

Turn puts out a Td. I have overpair and K high fl draw with three out to the flush. He leads this time, I call. I figure if I raise he will fold a weaker hand, and if he's ahead I get another card to make my flush.

River offsuit J. He bets again, again I reckon the only weaker hand he calls a raise with here is QQ and I can't see him having that that. I call him and he shows JTo for runner runner two pair. What is a 13% VPIP player doing playing like this??? This hand just shocked me....

Hand 3:

Thought I played this great and he sucked. Sometimes I seem to run into these pathetically passive players and it costs me money when I am trying to be aggressive.

Table is kinda tight. 99 on button. Two limpers to me, I raise to try to get rid of blinds. BB 3-bets. He is fairly solid (from my recollection) so seems like he has some sorta premium hand. Both limpers fold which is kinda handy. I call the 3-bet.

Flop comes rainbow 8 high. BB bets out, I raise to establish if he has AK/AQ or a higher PP. He just calls. That looks good.

Turn pairs the 3 on board, no danger there. He checks, I fire again. He calls. Hoping for no A or K.

River brings a T, no flush possible. This looks fine, can't put him on AT with a 3-bet PF. He checks, should I value bet here? I guess the only hand he calls that I beat is something like AK, but would he put in another bet here with that... Still, seems certain I have this won.

He calls and shows QQ. WTF? I played this perfect and just ran into a passive goon, right?

So, what would be a good take on the hand if he then 3-bets the flop? Because he seemed solid and fairly tight, I would prob. put him on a higher PP than me 95% of the time. There would be 14SBs in the pot if I call the third bet. The pot odds of catching a 9 to bust his probable overpair are like 22-1, but if I put him on an overpair and with a 87x board, a backdoor str8 draw for me (or the chance he has AK and checks down or something wierd) I guess I am maybe about 20-1 to win the hand. Getting 13-1 on the call, and with the implied odds of finding another 3-4 BBs on the turn and river if he has a high pair, pot plus implied odds I should be getting about 20-1, 22-1 odds, right, so a call would be just about OK? I think I would drop a missed turn against this guy if he lead out again, unless I hit a T or 5/6 for a straight draw.

Hand 4:

This was kinda tricky, mostly wondering if flop C/R is good here. I have A8o in the BB. 4 limpers to me and the SB completes. Table is quite tight again, unusually multiway pot this!

Flop comes 568 rainbow. I decide my best chance lies in CRing to get rid of gutshots and crappy overcards, seems fair? I check, second last player to act bets (he has been an asshole so far and has a VPIP 35% or so, seems a tad loose but not terrible) CO who is new to the table calls. SB folds. I raise. Two MP limpers both drop, and the bettor and caller both call the extra bet.

Turn puts out a 9 which puts out 2 to a flush as well. I decide marginally to bet here, if anyone wants to lay down overs here it's a good equity move, right? I can obviously safely lay down if someone raises. I am not willing to give credit for a 7 just yet. Both players call.

River brings a non-suited 3 which doesn't seem to change anything. I guess I could value bet here but I can't see anyone calling too many hands that I can beat. Is this a mistake? I also didn't want to face a raise from a 7. Guess I could bet and fold to a raise? Or am I just way too aggressive? Anyway, the CO bets when we both check to him. I call and so does MP. CO had K9o for a turned TPKK, and MP had TT (? Again, has he not played this woefully passively??? Or am I missing something here?) and wins a decent pot.

Hand 5:

I am on BB with 58s. Folds round to LP who calls, button calls, SB completes. Flop brings QJ5 with of my suit. It's checked around.

Turn brings a 7, giving me a flush draw. I decide to bet as there's like $12 in the pot and I can make it 6 more, decent semi-bluff? One LP calls.

River gives me an 8 for 2 pair, I bet again, he calls with his K7o and has a go at me for being lucky. Fair enough, of course it's no skin off my nose because I bet when I had likely about 14 outs and a decent chance to make everyone fold. Good play here?

Hand 6:

I call in EP with 99 again. We take a flop 4 handed, BB is UPF's own Tightwad who is a bit wary of me because I keep sticking it to him

Flop brings a gorgeous 944. Checked around.

Turn brings a 3 or some garbage. I think there mighta been a flush draw out. Checked around. Will some bastard bet?!?!?

River offsuit 6. Sigh. I guess I should check and hope someone bluffs but I just couldn't check round the damn top boat, so I bet and everyone folds.

I think I should've bet the flop. Anyone with overs or a 9 will call in this pot, and if I am gonna get action off a 4 I might as well create some action early on. As it was my checks allowed everything on board to basically miss and no-one is putting in any action with the uncoordinated stuff out. Also I could've bet the turn, a flush draw with overs might've called or even semi-bluff raised, right? Is it more +EV to let someone catch top pair on an overcard, maybe hope for a raise on the expensive streets, or did I do OK checking this flop? I feel if I bet this, tighty might even have bluff-raised it for me, and i guess someone with two overs to the 9 will call, right? Is it worth the chance of folding a hand that MIGHT make something later on to get those bets on the cheap street when I have the board so crippled with a well-disguised hand? Surely no-one could put me on anything off that garbage flop...

And should I have swallowed my pride and checked the river, hope someone bets it on a bluff? I think there were only two to act after me, neither seemed especially tight. But who the hell is paying off basically a 1/2 pot bet on the river here?

Right, sorry for the extended nature of the post... hoping to get some interesting analysis here, I dropped about $200 last night so although that's only like 35BBs it's still quite a decent loss for me (I am normally very consistent on the PLO tables and only lose that much maybe one session in 5 or 6).

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PS... OK so one last hand... dunno if I played this well at all.

I am fourth to speak, UTG called and other two folded. I have AK suited in diamonds and make the obvious raise. One guy in position calls (he is loose and fairly LAGgy, poor but not terrible), button calls (dunno him) BB calls (bit loose and not great), UTG calls (no read, unimportant).

Flop brings a lovely K33 with two spades. BB leads out, UTG folds, I make the obvious raise to charge any draws. Looseish guy with position calls the second bet, as does BB. Turn brings a J, which completes the flush... exactly what I DIDN'T want. BB leads out again. I decide to just plump for calling this baby, mistake? Even if he has the flush I have 4 outs to boat up and I'm not ready to give up yet for one bet in a decent sized pot. Maybe I should just give up here...

Anyhow, the guy with position on me raises. BB and me both just call.

River brings out a third 3. Looks good for me, my preflop raise should really have cleared out the 3s and I can expect my K to be good I guess. BB leads out, I guess he has a K from his play so far. Here I decide to get a bit tricky and just call, to lay odds to entice an overcall from the guy left to act, if he has a flush. I figured, good chance I was splitting with BB and a raise will force out the late guy, most likely. Classic omaha play, usually.

Anyhow, the late player raised, and the BB 3 bet. I didn't like this much at all, but I called the two cold, expecting one to be messing about and one to maybe have KK. LP was probably bad enough to raise a flush, I was thinking.

LP had KTo for rivered same boat as me, BB had called my raise with 39s and won with quads. Anyone fold on the turn or river here? I figure I had a lot of chances to give up on this hand and perhaps should've taken one. Not very well thought out by me... lost 5BBs on the last two streets when perhaps I should've got out on the turn?

Thoughts?

PPS If someone complains about the format of this post I will set fire to their family.
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Postby briachek » Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:43 pm

Hands 1 and 2 are covered in other threads I believe.

Hand 3, I would have checked the river in your situation. Also, if he 3 bets the flop, I call then likely check/fold the turn if I don't improve. That being if you respect the player and you don't think he is just doing it because he thinks you are blind stealing. If you think he is, then call him down.

Hand 4- I check fold the turn. If anyone was calling with the oe str draw, they made it. If they chased the gutshot, they have an bigger pair.

Hand 5 - decent play against decent opponents. He was playing K7o in the late position and then was yelling at you? He's a moron and you should note his play on his hand before he loses all his money for being an idiot. I'm not a big fan of this but doing it occasionally against tight/passive players isn't too bad. Don't try to get too fancy though, it will lead to more losses. There are still a few people in the pot and you are out of position so I probably wouldn't do it without a good reason or expectation of folding.

Hand 6 - checking the flop isn't bad and I would probably have done it unless there were at least a couple loose people that will call with any overcards. I definitely bet the turn if checked to me again. If they all fold then, they didn't have anything but you want to make anyone who wants to see the river pay. On the river and that board, no one will have anything and probably won't call with an ace high so you missed out.

Hand 7 - I would probably fold the turn because I just felt a flush from someone although I was completely wrong. If BB is as bad as you say, I've seen them do this many times once they complete their draw or bet out again with trips. Button cold calling your 2 bets on the flop worries me that he had the flush draw and I just get out of the way on the turn.
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Postby Nortonesque » Wed Apr 06, 2005 2:17 pm

Hand 3 -- no reason to value bet that if your opponent is solid. If he has you beat he's calling, if he doesn't he won't.

Hand 4 looks fine to me. Betting out on the turn is likely to win the pot here a decent percentage of the time, and there's a chance you are ahead still. With two callers, check calling the river is probably the right move.

Hand 5 looks good.

Hand 6 -- I generally bet out here if there's a potential flush draw. If not, I split between betting out and checking. You can go either way really.

Hand 7 -- I fold the turn as well. The presence of the loose caller leads me to believe that I am beat by one of them.
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