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Postby Derf » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:22 am

Actually, I pretty much hate it HU. But here is one that I found fairly acceptable. Do you?

I open from the CO with red 44, folded to BB who is TAG and very aggro preflop (19/14 type numbers) who 3-bets, I cap.

Flop: Jc 9h 2s
He checks, I bet, he calls.

Turn: 9c
He donks, I raise.
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Postby antneye » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:24 am

I need a read, but you have one so I am ok with it.
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Postby Pok 7's » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:33 am

i like it, chances are a TAG isn't 3 betting anything out of the blind that contains a 9 so I don't really buy what he's trying to represent and if he has a monster here we'll know about it ie he 3 bets us. Maybe he's semi-blufing a FD here with 2 clubs in his hand, but i like this play here personally.
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Postby McNemo » Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:15 am

I would probably fold but thats just me im pretty weak tight :x

If you plan on seeing a showdown then this my friend is an outstanding time to raise for a free showdown <cheerleader>

What i love about this raise is that:

1. You might possibly have the best hand (maybe more so according to a specific read)
2. You have very few outs so you have an easy fold if it gets 3-bet
3. The board just paired that means he wont dare to 3-bet as long as he doesnt have a 9. So even if he does have a pair he will check it to you on river.
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Postby antneye » Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:27 am

We can't all agree.

Where is Marm to tell us we dont know what we are talking about :roll:
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Postby Pok 7's » Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:37 am

He'll be here in a few weeks I'm sure :wink: .

Besides this is all aggression, Marm = maniac... Hell he'd play 72o the same way here :lol: .
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Postby antneye » Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:40 am

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Postby Marm » Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:20 pm

:?
"Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for the house in blackjack." -Adam Morrow

I swear to God, next time I have to come back here, I'm bringing a stun gun and a weedwacker!
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Postby Marm » Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:31 pm

"Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for the house in blackjack." -Adam Morrow

I swear to God, next time I have to come back here, I'm bringing a stun gun and a weedwacker!
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Postby Marm » Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:40 pm

"Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for the house in blackjack." -Adam Morrow

I swear to God, next time I have to come back here, I'm bringing a stun gun and a weedwacker!
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Postby Marm » Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:42 pm

"Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for the house in blackjack." -Adam Morrow

I swear to God, next time I have to come back here, I'm bringing a stun gun and a weedwacker!
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Postby antneye » Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:16 pm

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Postby McNemo » Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:25 pm

Getting villain to fold is an added benefit of this raise. (though not the biggest reason) Its true villain might possibly fold a better hand like 88-33 (or possibly TT or Jx)

If he donked a flush draw or a straight draw we charge him the maximum for seeing the river.

And if by chance villain has a 9 he will probably 3-bet turn and we could fold. If villain is brave he will also 3-bet a Jack whereupon we could fold easily.

So we have:

1. Fold equity
2. Value raise against a draw
3. Easy to lay down against 3-bet (cosing us the same as calling down)


If opponent is a maniac (3-betting the turn with air) then of course a call down is the play. But just because he likes to raise pre flop doesnt mean he is a maniac!
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Postby Marm » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:21 pm

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Postby Derf » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:11 am

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