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Postby piersmajestyk » Thu May 12, 2005 2:41 pm

There is really only one good answer to this: You have a very strong hand or at least a strong hand in regards to heads up play. If not just fold the mediocre stuff and get on with the next hand. As I have said before I will call a raise with two blank cards heads up from the BB verus a small blind raise. Against an opponent like me you should even be more inclined to throw away all but your extremely good hands because I have position on you and I play well post flop. Another example of a knuckle head trying to drive me out heads up from the SB with some mediocre shit that just cost him some more bucks post flop. Thanks for coming out sir.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with [9h], [2s].
6 folds, SB raises, Hero calls.

Flop: (4 SB) [9s], [Td], [9d] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3 BB) [5h] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

River: (7 BB) [3c] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Results in white below:
SB has Ts 8s (two pair, tens and nines).
Hero has 9h 2s (three of a kind, nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 9 BB.
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Postby Suhleafs » Thu May 12, 2005 4:02 pm

What was so horrible about his play?
You called with the worst hand and outflopped him. Other than the turn raise (which you could have been bluffing or slowplaying a Ten) what other reason does he believe that he's beat here?

I've seen players do that heads up with a lot worse holdings after the river, eg. Ace high, King high etc
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Postby piersmajestyk » Thu May 12, 2005 4:11 pm

Reasons that it is bad

1. Because he has 10 high preflop
2. He's out of position
3. He is in with a very tough opponent
4. Rake considerations

His play on the hand wasn't bad but it was the preflop call that got him in trouble. You simply cannot show a +EV when playing against a capable player heads up when you are out of position over the long haul especially if you are getting involved with hands like 10 high.
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Postby piersmajestyk » Fri May 13, 2005 5:40 pm

:lol: I think the positional aspect of the thing combined with your postflop ability if extremely good can justify a call with any two cards in this situation. Perhaps I am wrong and I won't argue that for most people mucking 92o is probably a way better move than defending with it, but when you have a monster say like 32s you have got to play 8-)

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Preflop: Hero is BB with [2s], [3s].
6 folds, SB raises, Hero calls.

Flop: (4 SB) [Qs], [Js], [Jc] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3 BB) [8c] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB folds.

Final Pot: 6 BB

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins 6 BB.
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Postby Ricardooon » Fri May 13, 2005 7:13 pm

I have to say my feeling on playing BB against these steals is read based. All things equal I might have chucked away the 92o but if I knew the guy raising was likely to be doing it with T8s, then thats different!

If the guy is tight (and in that case has a clue what he is doing) I am not willing to invest more money with my junk hands. If on the other hand the player is a nugget then I too feel the position and skill post flop can make it worth while. I do need to be sure though I can out play him, meaning I make him fold if the flop is unfavourable to him which is not something to be taken for granted at $2/$4 and below.

Currently I am willing to let most played steal a few on me if I have crap but then with even a mediocre hand I tend to reraise from the BB. Again I need to be pretty sure I can fold the guy so I find this works better against medium good players. By knowing I can potentially fold them I think this makes its a better EV situation as it means to are not flop dependant to win the hand. Against a bad player you will still need to hit your hand which reduces the EV in my book. Since I have been going for the "imaginative rock" table image this is one of those situations where I will let my imagination fly a bit.

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