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Postby odogg » Thu Dec 30, 2004 9:31 am

Both of these hands are at a 100 NL table. Blinds are .50/1.00 and I have been waiting patiently with 107 dollars or so.

First hand I am dealt 3s 3c in late position. 3 limp into me and I follow suit as well as the button. The SB makes it 5 to go. BB folds and it is folded back to me. I call as does the BB.

18 in the pot

7h 3d 6c

This is where things get interesting. SB checks to me and I fire 10 at the pot expecting a raise from the SB who is a bit short stacked with 35 dollars. The Button raises it to 20. The SB pushes his 35 dollars in. Now it is back to me. What is your play? Results later.

Second hand.

Dealt AA in the big blind. UTG calls and UTG+1 min raises. 3 people call to me. I make it 7 to go and get 2 callers.

Roughly 27 in the pot.

Kc Ts 3c

Not a terrible flop for aces but there is a flush draw. I fire a pot sized bet of 27. Original min raiser smooth calls and the other guy gets out of the way.

Turn is rag.

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Postby Mad Genius » Thu Dec 30, 2004 10:08 am

In the first hand, what is the stack size of the button? What type of player is he, and do you have any specific read? I wouldn't be worried about the SB - he most likely has an overpair. You are a healthy favorite in this case. It's the button I'd be worried about. The min raise looks suspicious of a higher set. But it could also be 88-TT. I think it's either fold or re-raise - folding is too weak-tight most of the time so if I didn't have some sort of specific read I would go ahead and re-raise.

The second hand is a little bit tougher. I'm having a tough time putting villian on a hand, and the reason why is because most min raisers have some sort of a pair. I don't think he has KK, which means the only set he could have hit is TT. Otherwise he would dump any other pair on the flop. There is an outside chance he could have AK but if he was halfway decent he would know you have AA (or KK), either of which he is almost drawing dead against. Regardless, one thing I would have done is lead for a little less than the size of the pot. Although there is a flush draw, you shouldn't be too worried since they called your re-raise preflop. People rarely call re-raises without wired pairs, unless it's with AK. Either way, with the [Kc] out and possibly the [Ac] out if you have it, it's unlikely that either of them are on the flush draw. If you lead for about $20, then you can probably lead again on the turn for about 1/2 pot and get away from it, but as it is I would probably check the turn if you both have fairly deep stacks, or go ahead and push if either of you doesn't have that much left.
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Postby Bob314 » Thu Dec 30, 2004 10:53 am

I think the button's min raise loos a little dangerous too, but I'd still go ahead and make a strong re-raise. With the SB shoving in the pot is now $75 with your opponent already having 20 in. Even a strong re-raise of making it $70 to go still leaves your opponent paying $50 to win $135 so maybe the right re-raise is to shove in yourself?

The second hand I thought the size of your raise out of the BB was a little small. Their is $8 in the pot and $1 to you when it is your action and you made it $7 to go so now the pot is $15 and your opponents are getting 3-1 on their money *minimum*. Making it $12 to go might have been a stronger play because now pairs like 10-10 can't really follow you to the flop because your $10 raise has killed any implied odds they hoped to have, assuming you or them are still sitting around $100. Should you get a caller with this raise it will likely only be one and the pot will be about the same size on the flop.
Anyways, as it happens, you have 1 person with you on the turn and $81 in the pot. The answer here is really going to depend on how much you had going into this hand and how much you have left on the turn. You want to bet enough to take away any odds a draw has, but still be strong so your opponent doesn't try and push you off your hand (And I think that if my opponent bet the full pot on the flop and only half the pot on the turn I would see the move as weak or possibly trying to trap me) and you are also trying not to lose your stack to a set here, so you don't want to pot commit yourself with your bet either. How much do you have left on the turn? If it is less than 80 you are likely going to have to get all your chips in on the turn.
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Postby Smokin'Al » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:30 am

Hand 1:

Key here is making sure you get as much money as possible when ahead (since I think you're losing your stack when you're behind)

Possible hands for villain: overpair (88-TT, 36 combos), higher set (66, 77, 12 combos), straight (45s, 8 combos), straight draw (89s, 8 combos), two pair (67s, 4 combos)

My worry with raising all-in is that you'll knock the overpair out but leave the better hands in. The draw only exists and hits 4% of the time (and an overpair hits a set 4% of the time).

In the heat of battle, I'm pretty sure I'd raise all in, but as an alternative line, how about calling the raise, then betting say $30 on turn and $40 on the river? He may not be able to get away from his overpair.

Hand 2:

Yuck! I wish I knew what to do here :)

Check behind on the turn, and call any sized bet on a non-club river?

That way you might get bets from AK/busted flush as well as a set. If a club falls and he doesn't have it, he might check a set here fearing you do.
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Postby briachek » Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:08 pm

IMO, I'm pushing all in on the first hand. If he has and higher set, oh well. You can't make a good sized reraised without being committed so you might as well push. There is a decent amount in the pot to win it right there and you are not losing to the SB who is likely on an overpair and 2 outer to you.

Hand 2 depends on the read of the preflop min-raiser. If he is a weak player, I think i'm pushing in on the turn putting him on a K that he doesn't want to raise but can't drop like KQ or possibly AK. Depending on the size of your stacks, if you can't make a big bet without being committed, I would say push all in but I'm sometimes over aggressive with my overpairs and its worked for me but it can definately be a leak of mine. I do agree with MG that a smaller bet on the flop might allow you to get away with a smaller bet on the turn but I think this guy isn't dropping his hand if he calls a pot bet on the flop.
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Postby Rhound50 » Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:43 pm

The first hand I am all-in. I am always willing to push all in with a set, you will win a lot more pots than you will lose. Set over set sucks but its going to happen, but folding with a set fearing a better set is going to lose you more money in the long run than pushing all in a sometimes getting busted by a better set.

Hand 2 is tougher, AA can be a tought hand to play post flop because you dont know what to fear and you dont really know what cards you want to see. My thought is going to be that its tough to get away from AA in this situation, so your options are check and fold or push at the pot. There is $81 in the pot and you have less that in your stack so I probably push all in here. There is no reason to bet $20-40, if you do that you are pot committed and are going to have to call anyways.
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Postby Mad Genius » Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:02 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Thu Dec 30, 2004 4:08 pm

If the flop had a broadway card then I wouldnt go all in here, but since its all rages, theres a good chance the button has something like JJ. If the turn is an ace or king, you'll never get him all in. I would reraise to pot commit him, but maybe not all in depending on how much he has. If he has a higher set, so be it. Thats the risk of playing 33, but its very rare that set over set happens like that.

Hand #2...you need to reraise more than $7. The rest of the question cant be answered without stack sizes.
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Postby Smokin'Al » Thu Dec 30, 2004 4:24 pm

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Postby odogg » Thu Dec 30, 2004 8:10 pm

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Postby Bob314 » Fri Dec 31, 2004 3:41 pm

If you both start with $100 that handthen I think on the turn with an $80 pot you have to shove in instead of betting $50 and leaving yourself with a little less than $20 to work with on the river. The moneyis all going in anyways if he calls the turn so you should get it all in there on the turn.
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