Any thoughts on the new FTP 300 chip Super Turbos sngs?

[cat923]

[Rhound50]

They might be fishy but there is so little poker involved that its just a shovefest and hope you can win a coin flip.

First hand of the tournament and my M is 4, I have ATo utg, hmm.

[EscapePlan9]

[Rhound50]

[EscapePlan9]

[EscapePlan9]

[emmasdad]

M and BBs are both appropriate ways to measure depth, both do the same thing. Just don't tell the 2+2 SNGers that, they flip out.

Dude, you are just using different units to measure the same thing. I prefer M because it accounts for non-standard ante sizes. But seriously, its like arguing over using standard american measurements or metric measurements. Different ways to get you to the same place.

[EscapePlan9]

Yes, they both are appropriate ways to measure "depth". The accepted standard for SNGs is BBs mostly because it's easier to calculate than with M and for SNGs gives you a better idea of when you need to start taking risks. With an M of 5 in an MTT you REALLY need to start making plays - in a SNG, that's equivalent to about 11x BB. You are not so desperate yet.

It's confusing to try to think of SNGs in terms of M, when most people associate M with Harrington's discussion on it in MTTs. And going by Harrington's M, you'd be taking more risks than needed if you use the "M" factor throughout the SNG.

I understand you don't think there's a significant difference and you're welcome to have that opinion. I would never recommend someone who wants to profitably play SNGs to think of their stacks in terms of M though.

Also worth mentioning that "serious" SNG players sometimes play more than 9 tables simultaneously. You need to make your decisions quickly, and again, BB is much easier to calculate.

[Rhound50]

These do seem like a fun way to burn up some time bored but it really isn't playing poker, even if you can be selective enough to have a small edge is not worth the sick high variance this structure brings. When I used to a lot of online poker I used to play the micro Turbo SNGs on stars to blow off some steam afer a long session. After grinding for 4 hrs, ending your session with a couple of moronic all in shoves with 4 high is a great stress reliever. Plus I have never been cursed at or called as many names as I did when I sucked out on the micro donks. Good times.