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Postby Molina » Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:08 pm

This situation came up today that I've never experienced.

In a $0.5/1 NL game (100BB), 6 handed theres a player who has $200 when I sit down, he proceeds to take a buyin off me somehow, I don't remember but he seemed wild so I rebought. He proceeds to lecture the table on his greatness, runs his stack up to $600, busting people at will nearly. Anyway, patience lead to me getting up to $300 against this guy and the action got very wild, he kept going all in seemingly at random.

(As a side note I run my stack up to $560 with house vs house)

On to the matter at hand; the maniac loses his way down to $75 and goes all in pre flop when in 1st position. This is nothing unusual, all other players have >$200 stacks and he will be called by hands that wouldn't normally call such ridiculous PF bets. It folds round to the blinds, two players who have been chatting in Swedish. The SB is 'thinking' and the BB player types JJ in the text box, SB folds and BB calls with, yep, JJ!

As a measure of justice maniac had AA and it held up. I was horrified and shocked, I'd never seen this before. Appalled at such apparent collusion I've e-mailled the poker site quoting the hand number, pointing out that only the BB was really at fault.

My question is: it cannot be just me that finds this waaaaay out of line, this is severely wrong isn't it? I mean when I had then huge stack I had called the maniacs all in for "50 with KQs and he had 23, flopped 2 pair and won it but the point is that calling requirements were way down against this chap (2,3!!! offsuit!!!!)

Has anyone else experienced this? Did you do anything? Did anything happen to the offending player?

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Postby Felonius_Monk » Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:15 am

Yes, of course it's completely out of line. The entire pot should be awarded to the maniac and the JJ player should have the win removed from his account and a warning imposed.

Whenever anyone is speaking in a foreign language online I ask that they speak in English only or I will call customer support. This sort of thing is exactly the thing I'd be worried about.

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Postby Molina » Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:52 am

The maniac did win the hand with his aces, though whether they were deprived of an extra call by the SB is the thing that bothered me.

While chatting to the maniac he seemed a nice guy who had no problem with losing massive pots, he genuinely didn't care. On a more cynical side the more money he had, the more that would be on offer and the table would continue playing extremely loose with deep stacks. As it was, maniac lost the lot and everyone disappeared soonafter.

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Postby Johnny Hughes » Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:50 pm

They were cheating. You allowed them to cheat earlier speaking in a foriegn language. Why are you wonderful people so surprised when you encounter cheating? It is very very common.
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