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Postby kennyg » Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:57 am

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Postby MBuckler » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:09 am

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Postby SebQtaneus » Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:13 pm

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Postby SebQtaneus » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:19 am

Title of todays lesson: "Persistence and Knowing When To Get The Fuck Out Out Of Dodge !!!"
This was my first night back on the project after the Vegas trip. It started well enough but soon took a nose dive like most of my sessions do at the start for some reason. Still haven't puzzled that out yet.
940 hands of big swings and basically only earning RB tonight. Then one really nice pot with a set of 5's taking down 2 pair. (HH below graphs). Figured it was a sign, so I quit. 3a.m. anyway and it's a work night. Ugh.


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Project total stats (from 9-30-07):
7756 hands
21.6 / 11.32 / 1.57 (trying to work on these but I seem to be getting worse rather than better)
6.76 ptbb/100
+$262.15 in winnings
+$53.12 in RB (another 2.74 ptbb/100)
for a project total of +$315.27
for a project total of 9.5 ptbb/100

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$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at <-- Have I mentioned how awesome this HH converter is?!

Stacks:
UTG ($56.80)
Hero ($36.55)
CO ($27.85)
BTN ($31.55)
SB ($28.00)
BB ($14.75)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 [5h][5d]
1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: [Td][Js][5s] ($1, 4 players)
SB bets $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3, CO raises to $10.25, SB folds, Hero goes all-in $36.3, CO calls $17.35

Turn: [7c] ($65.9, 2 players)

River: [2d] ($65.9, 2 players)

Final Pot: $57.20
Hero shows: [5h][5d]
CO shows: [Jc][Th]

Hero wins $54.35 ( won +$26.50 )
SB lost -$1.25
BB lost -$0.25
CO lost -$27.85
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Postby Twelver » Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:33 am

I don't understand man. I tell you a thousand times don't limp 1st in and I look at the above hh and what did you do? Sure it worked out this time. That's not the point. When you start moving up people are gonna punish the hell out of weak ass limps. You have got to get more aggressive preflop.
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Mekos King (10:22:06 PM): is never ever try to suck backup to a bitch
Mekos King (10:22:09 PM): who caught u cheatin
Mekos King (10:22:23 PM): unless your married and would lose like money inna divorce
Mekos King (10:22:33 PM): then u suckup just long enuf to get close enough to killer obv

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Postby SebQtaneus » Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:54 pm

Same villain, 2 different tables, hands are about 2 minutes apart.
How am I supposed to get reads on guys like this? I had stats of about 14/10 on one table and 13/9 on the other. I'd been at both tables longer than anyone else. His stats at both tables was about 35/25 after about 75 hands. I don't know if maybe he was pissed at me after the first one and that's the cause for his extreme bluff in the second or what, but I swear I see this shite all the fuggin time and it makes it hella hard for me to have any idea of whether or not these guys have a hand or not.


$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
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Stacks:
UTG ($29.00)
UTG 1 ($15.00)
CO ($22.00)
BTN ($24.85)
SB ($10.25)
Hero ($25.45)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BB [9d][Td]
UTG raises to $0.85, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.6

Flop: [4d][8d][Jc] ($1.8, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.25, UTG raises to $4, Hero goes all-in $24.6, UTG calls $20.6

Turn: [9h] ($51, 2 players)

River: [7h] ($51, 2 players)

Final Pot: $51
UTG shows: [8h][8c]
Hero shows: [9d][Td]

Hero wins $48.45 ( won $23.00 )
UTG lost -$25.45

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$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
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Stacks:
UTG ($24.55)
UTG 1 ($33.30)
CO ($27.75)
BTN ($23.80)
SB ($22.45)
Hero ($22.75)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BB [Kh][Ah]
1 fold, UTG 1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, BTN raises to $1.1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.65, UTG 1 folds, BTN calls $2.55

Flop: [9h][5c][2h] ($7.65, 2 players)
Hero bets $7.65, BTN goes all-in $20.15, Hero calls $11.45

Turn: [Kd] ($46.9, 2 players)

River: [5h] ($46.9, 2 players)

Final Pot: $45.85
BTN shows: [As][Jd]
Hero shows: [Kh][Ah]

Hero wins $43.6 ( won $20.85 )
BTN lost -$22.75
UTG 1 lost -$0.25
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Postby Twelver » Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:58 pm

whats the problem u payed both hands fine. he was bluffing in one hand and wasnt in the other
Mekos King (10:21:59 PM): one of the first rules of manlaw
Mekos King (10:22:06 PM): is never ever try to suck backup to a bitch
Mekos King (10:22:09 PM): who caught u cheatin
Mekos King (10:22:23 PM): unless your married and would lose like money inna divorce
Mekos King (10:22:33 PM): then u suckup just long enuf to get close enough to killer obv

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Postby SebQtaneus » Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:29 pm

OK, so todays session was just an additon to last nights since last nights started after midnight. That one ended at hand 940. This will make it easier for me with the graphs as I cant figure out how to split sessions into separate graphs when they were played on the same date. Afternoon and evening sessions started abyssmally as per usual. Dropped 2 buyins from my highpoint that I had quit on last night before grinding it back up to be almost 2 buyins up for the day when I took a break at around hand 1575. Then I played a session with MVP and Twelver and just totally sucked and dropped all my profit for the day plus about $15 to be in the hole again on the day after 2k hands. :x Though playing with friends may be fun, when it's at a NL 6max table it doesn't seem as profitable for me. So after a dinner and movie break, I opened up 4 new tables and within the span of about 400 hands I shot it almost straight back up to end on a high note. Up almost 4 buyins on the day! Woot!

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Gotta love how this graph is looking. Although jagged as hell and way to many steep drops, at least it is still going in a steady upward climb. This may well be my best month as far as winrate is concerned in a long time. Too bad it's at only NL25 or my BR would be doing a lot better. :D
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Project total stats (from 9-30-07):
9303 hands
20.6 / 11.27 / 1.66
6.94 ptbb/100
+$322.80 in winnings
+$63.29 in RB (another 1.36 ptbb/100)
for a project total of +$386.09
for a project total of 8.3 ptbb/100



Now, if someone could just tell me how to interpret these graphs, I'd appreciate it.
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Postby Twelver » Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:26 am

Mekos King (10:21:59 PM): one of the first rules of manlaw
Mekos King (10:22:06 PM): is never ever try to suck backup to a bitch
Mekos King (10:22:09 PM): who caught u cheatin
Mekos King (10:22:23 PM): unless your married and would lose like money inna divorce
Mekos King (10:22:33 PM): then u suckup just long enuf to get close enough to killer obv

Heat517163 (5:05:37 PM): black people man
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Postby SebQtaneus » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:35 am

But the blue line says I've won over $550 and I don't think that's accurate. PT says I've won $322.80 which is very accurate. No idea why the difference.
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Postby kennyg » Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:30 am

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Postby Twelver » Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:58 am

Mekos King (10:21:59 PM): one of the first rules of manlaw
Mekos King (10:22:06 PM): is never ever try to suck backup to a bitch
Mekos King (10:22:09 PM): who caught u cheatin
Mekos King (10:22:23 PM): unless your married and would lose like money inna divorce
Mekos King (10:22:33 PM): then u suckup just long enuf to get close enough to killer obv

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Postby SebQtaneus » Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:55 am

Mekos King: Seb is now the way the truth and the light
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Postby Twelver » Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:16 pm

No what it means is if you add all your all ins together and lets say you should have have won 50% of the time, you are actually winning closer to 80% of the time.

And the reason your green line is below your blue line is b/c you are losing money on hands that are not going to showdown. This goes back to winning small pots like I was talking about to you yesterday.
Mekos King (10:21:59 PM): one of the first rules of manlaw
Mekos King (10:22:06 PM): is never ever try to suck backup to a bitch
Mekos King (10:22:09 PM): who caught u cheatin
Mekos King (10:22:23 PM): unless your married and would lose like money inna divorce
Mekos King (10:22:33 PM): then u suckup just long enuf to get close enough to killer obv

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Postby SebQtaneus » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:42 pm

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