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Early MTSNG - Standard Laydown?

Postby RogMcBusto » Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:24 am

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed)

UTG (t740)
UTG+1 (t1580)
Rog (t1470)
MP2 (t1460)
MP3 (t210)
CO (t2540)
Button (t1620)
SB (t1480)
BB (t2400)

Preflop: Rog is MP1 with [8s], [8h].
2 folds, Rog calls t20, MP2 calls t20, MP3 calls t20, CO calls t20, Button calls t20, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (t130) [4d], [6d], [8d] (6 players)
BB checks, Rog bets t120, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO raises to t300, Button calls t300, BB folds, Rog folds.
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Postby The Golden 1 » Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:44 am

Wow. I don't know if I've ever seen this. First of all I think you're getting odds to call 180. Second of all youre probably stacking two guys if the board pairs. Third of all its terrible.
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Postby excession » Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:45 am

Hmmm.. I hate the word 'standard' - it's one of those condescending 2+2 words with no real meaning..

If you are going to let go if raised I think I might not bet out in EP here.

I think now you have to at least call - 180 more into a 840 pot with much money to be made if the board pairs :D

Given that you could well be in an overpair vs flush draw situation a push might be a good option too.

I think a fold now is clearly the worst choice..
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Postby Dumb Snowman » Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:16 pm

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Postby flafishy » Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:34 pm

I think it's a push and hope for the best. If one of 'em does have a straight or a flush and your boat misses, then sign up for the next tournament. And maybe if one of 'em does have a straight or flush, you may chase them away representing the nuts which they might not have.

I don't think I fold this. But I wouldn't just call. That doesn't accomplish anything at all. If you just call, what do you do then if a brick falls on the turn and one of 'em bets out? You don't fold then, do you? If you're prepared to put all your chips in by the river, just do it now.
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Postby MTPaid » Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:54 pm

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Postby RogMcBusto » Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:11 pm

Results of Hand:

CO had [Kd] [Td]

Button had [Ad] [2d]

lol.

I realize that I probably should have just pushed right there. Can't be results oriented..
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Postby excession » Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:12 pm

Result
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2051197
pokenum -h 8s 8h - ad 2d - kd td -- 8d 6d 4d
Holdem Hi: 903 enumerated boards containing 8d 6d 4d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
8s 8h 321 35.55 581 64.34 1 0.11 0.356
Ad 2d 580 64.23 322 35.66 1 0.11 0.643
Kd Td 1 0.11 901 99.78 1 0.11 0.001

This is a genuine triple up situation for you so even if there was no oney already in the pot, you knew what they had and they pushed all in on the flop its +EV chip-wise to call it. .

That said I think I prefer the flat call - if you miss and they push you can get out relatively cheaply and if you hit you are tripling up at zero risk
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Postby Cactus Jack » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:16 am

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Postby Cactus Jack » Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:04 pm

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Postby Dumb Snowman » Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:06 pm

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