Ok, incredibly long post ahead...

I'm OK at PLO and at LO8 but I feel really stupid when I play PLO8. I've read the guide on "winningonlinepoker" but although it seems good it doesn't really seem suited for the types of games I play. The strategy there tends to assume shorthanded pots and pot bets being the standard. Where I play multiway pots and small bets are extremely common. I think you'll get a feel for it by reading the following hand histories.

Every other hand I play I question what I am doing. I know the HH looks a bit crappy but it took almost an hour to get it looking *this* good, which should buy me some slack as well as let you know how much I value your advice. Please give feedback on the following hands:


#1 Call me a calling station

gurax seat 2 with 245.72
hoiruud seat 3 with 96.33
iamivar seat 4 with 404.52
Hero seat 5 with 80.00
Nils-Marti seat 6 with 101.50
PC-Erik seat 7 with 88.85
T.G seat 8 with 150.00
Zynthomen seat 9 with 77.86
jackace seat 10 with 567.66

Hero:

gurax: Calls 1.00
hoiruud: Calls 1.00
iamivar: Folds
Hero: Calls 1.00
Nils-Marti: Calls 1.00
PC-Erik: Calls 1.00
T.G: Folds
Zynthomen: Calls 1.00
jackace: Checks

This hand is obviously playable.

Flop (Board: ):

Zynthomen: Bets 1.00
jackace: Calls 1.00
gurax: Calls 1.00
hoiruud: Raises 7.00
Hero: Calls 7.00
Nils-Marti: Folds
PC-Erik: Calls 7.00
Zynthomen: Calls 7.00
jackace: Folds
gurax: Calls 7.00

When I see the minibet my first thought is whether I should promo-raise, I'm about to decide against it because I don't think the nut flush draw will fold then an aggressive player puts in a raise. I decide to just call because I am fairly sure at least two more will call behind me and there's no way I can be counterfeitted, I am obviously behind for high so I don't want to raise since as I said earlier, I think the NFD will tag along anyway.

Turn (Board: , , ):

Zynthomen: Checks
gurax: Bets 8.00
hoiruud: Raises 16.00
Hero: Calls 16.00
PC-Erik: Calls 16.00
Zynthomen: Folds
gurax: Raises 40.00
hoiruud: All in
Hero: All in
PC-Erik: Folds
gurax: Calls 88.33

No way I am folding the nut low and flush+wheel draw here, right? Since there is no way I am getting another nut low out I see no point in raising here either.

River (Board: , , ):

gurax shows: , , , (par i tvåor)
hoiruud shows: , , , (två par, ess och åttor)
Hero shows: , , , (8,4,3,2,A som låg hand.)

Mr aggressive had two-pair, guraz had the nut low and a gutshot. I end up winning 3/4. I felt pathetic just calling myself all-in, should I have played differently?



#2 TPTK + Nut low draw

Hero seat 1 with 92.50
hugo70 seat 2 with 71.82
Buck Fush seat 3 with 41.15
HIRVEN seat 4 with 101.56
Joe119 seat 5 with 35.38
WayneBr[Ad]y seat 6 with 134.65
Lucky_nr_1 seat 7 with 195.70
iamivar seat 8 with 160.66
SPQR seat 9 with 76.90
jackace seat 10 with 356.80

Hero: [[Ad]]

jackace: Folds
Hero: Calls 1.00
hugo70: Calls 1.00
Buck Fush: Folds
HIRVEN: Calls 1.00
Joe119: Calls 1.00
WayneBr[Ad]y: Calls 1.00
Lucky_nr_1: Calls 1.00
iamivar: Calls 1.00
SPQR: Checks

I don't like raising OOP, is this a raising hand in LP?

Flop (Board: , , ):

iamivar: Checks
SPQR: Checks
Hero: Bets 8.00
hugo70: Calls 8.00
HIRVEN: Calls 8.00
Joe119: Calls 8.00
WayneBr[Ad]y: Folds
Lucky_nr_1: Calls 8.00
iamivar: Folds
SPQR: Folds

I've read that with TP and the nut low draw you should bet out...

Turn (Board: , , , ):

Hero: Checks
hugo70: Checks
HIRVEN: Checks
Joe119: Checks
Lucky_nr_1: Checks

Here I chicken out. I figure a low is out and is free rolling on me now so I just check it, if it is potted behind me I intend to fold.

River (Board: , , , , ):

Hero: Checks
hugo70: Checks
HIRVEN: Checks
Joe119: Checks
Lucky_nr_1: Checks


Hero shows: [[2s]] , , (två par, ess och knektar)
HIRVEN shows: , , , (6,4,3,2,A som låg hand.)

With a wheel out I am folding to anything but a minibet, but turns out I am winning high and get half the pot. Should I have bet the turn or river or is it OK to give up on the aggression?



#3 Broadway

Hero seat 1 with 117.10
hugo70 seat 2 with 153.92
HIRVEN seat 4 with 150.01
WayneBrady seat 6 with 127.65
Lucky_nr_1 seat 7 with 158.44
iamivar seat 8 with 145.16
ukraine seat 9 with 19.00
jackace seat 10 with 341.80

Hero: , , ,

iamivar: Folds
ukraine: Checks
jackace: Folds
Hero: Calls 1.00
hugo70: Calls 1.00
HIRVEN: Calls 1.00
WayneBr[Ad]y: Folds
Lucky_nr_1: Checks

Looks like a good high hand to see a flop cheaply with.

Flop (Board: , , ):

Lucky_nr_1: Checks
ukraine: Checks
Hero: Checks
hugo70: Bets 1.00
HIRVEN: Calls 1.00
Lucky_nr_1: Calls 1.00
ukraine: Folds
Hero: Calls 1.00

I feel I can call a minibet with my wrap.

Turn (Board: , , 5s, Qh):

Lucky_nr_1: Checks
Hero: Checks
hugo70: Bets 1.00
HIRVEN: Calls 1.00
Lucky_nr_1: Raises 5.00
Hero: Calls 5.00
hugo70: Calls 5.00
HIRVEN: Calls 5.00

Ok I have the nuts and was considering a check/raise, but with the action I am scared I am getting free-rolled, still, the bet is too small for me to fold so I try to get a cheap showdown.

River (Board: , , , , ):

Lucky_nr_1: Bets 12.00
Hero: Calls 12.00
hugo70: Calls 12.00
HIRVEN: Folds

Lucky_nr_1 shows: , , , (två par, ess och damer)
Hero shows: , , , (stege with ess i topp)

I think forever before calling this one. Finally I figure nobody behind me should have me beaten but in my mind I am calling for a split here. Turns out he only h[Ad] Top Two on the turn so I scoop. Too scared or should I have dumped this somwhere?



#4 Loosey goosey

gurax seat 2 with 242.78
roger16 seat 3 with 181.50
iamivar seat 4 with 447.97
Hero seat 5 with 113.46
Nils-Marti seat 6 with 94.00
ukraine seat 7 with 19.00
Zynthomen seat 9 with 183.94
jackace seat 10 with 561.66

Hero: , , ,

Zynthomen: Calls 1.00
jackace: Calls 1.00
gurax: Raises 4.00
roger16: Calls 4.00
iamivar: Folds
Hero: Calls 4.00
Nils-Marti: Folds
ukraine: Calls 4.00
Zynthomen: Calls 4.00
jackace: Calls 4.00

The PFR guy seems pretty liberal with his raises but in hindsight I think this call is too loose, right?

Flop (Board: , , ):

ukraine: All in
Zynthomen: Folds
jackace: Calls 16.00
gurax: Calls 16.00
roger16: Calls 16.00
Hero: All in
jackace: Calls 109.46
gurax: Folds
roger16: Folds

ukraine is a moron and could have anything but this becomes complex and I need to stop and think. Am I f-cked here? From the action I am guessing nobody h[As] the nut flush but somebody probably h[As] a low flush and someone else has the nut low... I am fairly sure I can get people to fold here because a push from me will be read as the nuts, and if I get ONE caller I should be OK since there's no way anyone has me beaten both ways and isn't raising this flop. Basically it is a promo-push I guess.

Turn (Board: , , ):


River (Board: , , , Ah):

jackace shows: , , , (färg with ess i topp)
Hero shows: ,[Ks], , (5,4,3,2,A som låg hand.)
ukraine shows: , , , (kåk)

Ok, turns out I was wrong. The nut flush WAS out but I make a profit by winning half the pot with all the dead money in.


#5 Should I stay or should I fold?

gurax seat 2 with 209.63
roger16 seat 4 with 0.00
Hero seat 5 with 391.58
Nils-Marti seat 6 with 207.75
ukraine seat 7 with 105.25
JockeT seat 8 with 19.38
Zynthomen seat 9 with 0.00
jackace seat 10 with 569.88


Hero: , ,

Pre-flop:

jackace: Calls 1.00
gurax: Calls 1.00
Hero: Raises 5.50
Nils-Marti: Folds
ukraine: Calls 5.50
JockeT: Folds
jackace: Calls 5.50
gurax: Calls 5.50

This looks like a pretty nice hand, I decide to put in a raise.

Flop (Board: , , ):

ukraine: Checks
jackace: Checks
gurax: Bets 8.00
Hero: Raises 47.00
ukraine: Folds
jackace: Calls 47.00
gurax: Calls 47.00

Ok that is a blocking bet, he's been doing that a lot. I have TP with the second nut low draw so I decide to push him out. Doesn't work too well.

Turn (Board: , , , ):

jackace: Checks
gurax: All in
Hero: Calls 157.13
jackace: Folds

Ok, F-CK!! I am now almost 100% sure he just boated up and I'm trying to figure out if I can call. Any Q or J will scoop it for me, any A or 3 might scoop, any 2, 4 or 6 should win me half. I can't figure this out in the allocated time and when the timer is about to run out I hit call and hope to suck out.

River (Board: , , , , ):


Showdown:

Hero shows: , , (triss i damer)
gurax shows: , , , (kåk)

Ok I sucked out for half the pot but should I have folded this one, I am guessing I should...

Hand 1
Please, please raise that turn. Another 34 is unlikely and you have a big draw for the top ½. A raise will
- Set you up for a river bluff if you miss everything
- Clean up your flush draw
- Build a pot for when you do hit something
- Sets you up for a big freeroll

Hand 2
I would have bet the turn. That is actually a good card for you because it improves your hand in both directions. You now have a hand that plays very well HU but poorly in a multi way pot. Bet pot and see how many people like that card as much as you.

Hand 3
I raise that turn and am probably going to the felt with how crazy that site it. You have 2 pair do you have 4 free roll outs against another str8. Even if they have the flush draw they only have 8 free roll outs against you.

Hand 4
I don’t hate the call pre-flop, IP that is just on the edge of what I will call with.

Raising the flop makes me cringe. You aren’t going to get a A2 to fold, you aren’t going to get a made flush to fold, there is already a player all in, and there are 3 callers in front of you.

Hand 5
I don’t like that raise from EP and I don’t like the flop raise. With A2Q I would be OK with it, but not with A3Q.

On the turn I am having trouble tracking the pot size but I would be willing to call. I find it very unlikely that you are not going to have 1/3 of the PE here.

As it was
pokenum -o8 ac qc jh 3h - 4d 5d 8c 5h -- qd 8h 5c qs
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 40 enumerated boards containing Qs 5c Qd 8h
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Ac Qc Jh 3h 10 10 30 0 15 0 0 0.438
8c 5d 4d 5h 15 30 10 0 0 0 0 0.562

Even with Qs full of 8s
pokenum -o8 ac qc jh 3h - 4d qh 8c 5h -- qd 8h 5c qs
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 40 enumerated boards containing Qs 5c Qd 8h
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Ac Qc Jh 3h 6 6 34 0 15 0 0 0.338
8c 4d Qh 5h 19 34 6 0 0 0 0 0.662