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PLO 100 - Raising when I know I have the worst hand

Postby Stoneburg » Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:23 pm

Been running pretty cold on my tables, this table is super loose as usual.

I limp with [5d] [4s] [Jh] [Js] in EP and everyone at the table sees the flop (I would guass average vpip is 70-80%).

Flop: [2s] [5c] [3d]
It is checked around.

Turn [Qs]
Checked to MP who bets 4 into the 10 pot. He gets 5 callers so I call as well with my... I dunno, 3:d nut flush draw, gutshot and low pair I guess.

River [Ks]
Checked to a shorty who goes all-in for 11, everyone folds to UTG who flat calls. I raise to 30.

Stupid? Brilliant?
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Postby Aisthesis » Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:00 pm

I think it depends a little here. Since you have the second nuts, you at least have one of them beat, and for two other players to have the flush is at least unusual.

I feel like UTG can have almost any flush here--maybe nut (no need to raise it), maybe not. I'd probably call or fold more often than not here, but I don't think the raise is bad if you feel like you have a lot of call equity from inferior UTG holdings--and if you're pretty sure he won't re-raise you without the nuts.
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Postby Stoneburg » Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:20 am

UTG can NOT have me beaten, but shorty almost certainly has the nuts. If I call I am just giving away 11 most of the time, but I don't think UTG can fold so if I raise to 30 I will make 19 instead of losing 11.

Of course there is a tiny chance that my hand is good for the whole pot or that UTG flat called with the nuts and will re-raise me, but I consider it extremely unlikely.
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Postby GooperMC » Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:32 am

Rhound - I got 2 outted in a $2000 pot last year, I have also broke a cup in half playing catcher. The feelings were similar.
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Postby Stoneburg » Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:44 am

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Postby briachek » Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:16 am

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Postby GooperMC » Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:27 pm

Rhound - I got 2 outted in a $2000 pot last year, I have also broke a cup in half playing catcher. The feelings were similar.
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Postby briachek » Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:01 pm

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Postby Stoneburg » Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:45 pm

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Postby briachek » Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:58 pm

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Postby Stoneburg » Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:09 pm

Of course *I* wouldn't call if I were him, but *I* am not playing 70-80% of my hands and calling too much. I don't think he thinks his hand is good, I think he thinks he is beaten but is calling anyway because "There's so much money in the pot", "He might be bluffing", "It's only 19 more", "I'm committed", "He could have a lower flush/straight/set" etc etc.

I don't see how you get 8 as a profit though, I raise to 30, 11 of it go to the main pot (which I will lose) and 19 is what I put in the side pot. My profit will be 19.
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Postby Stoneburg » Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:30 pm

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Postby briachek » Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:04 pm

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