I have been datamining Full Tilt for the last week. Over this weekend I have collected a little over 17,000 hands of PLO8 at various levels. I have read on 2+2, here and Internet Texas Holdem forums that Full Tilt is a rock garden. My observations: I know i do not have much data but I have been able to collect several thousand hands on some players and at least 500 on many many more which is still not much but the numbers i am seeing are (or appear to be) dramatically different than what party used to be. The tables do seem to be tighter with many players having VPIPs of 22 and under. What is so different is that even tho the players seem to be tighter on their hand selection they play worse than Party Players. I have never seen so many people with low VPIPs that are such major loosing players. I have a few winners with several thousand hands but they seem to be very few and far between. Again not many hands yet available but on Party at the low limits there were never many hands available on players due to them moving up or dropping out. Anyhow my thoughts- While FT might have tighter players they seem to have no clue after the flop. I think this could be a very profitable site-especially for a very good lag such as Phil. The few lags I observed seem to drive the players at the table crazy. They had no idea how to adjust. Any thoughts or other observations- agree - disagree?

i hope you weren't datamining me when this hand occurred...

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
9 players


Stack sizes:
UTG: $83
UTG+1: $216
MP1: $219.75
MP2: $138.75
Hero: $297.10
CO: $80
Button: $220.90
SB: $317.05
BB: $232.85

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises to $9, 2 folds, Hero calls, CO folds, Button raises to $41, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $178, Button raises all-in $220.9, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: ($487.8, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $487.8)

Turn: ($487.8, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $487.8)

River: ($487.8, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $487.8)

Results:
Final pot: $487.8
Button showed 5d Ah 3d As
Hero showed 4s 3s Ac Kh

LOL, i have no idea why the eff i did that. even on tilt it was a really dumb thing to do.

so far I'm about break even at the tables at FullTilt over 3k hands. i agree the games play differently than party. I haven't quite solidified my overall thoughts on the competition yet...

Is Mendacious winning in your database?

Funny I got my Ass handed to me initially at Full Tilt. But I was slumping HARD when I started. I find play there to me pretty similar to Pokerstars and also a bit like Prima. WAY fewer aggressive players than Party, but it is often hard to get a big pot when you have a hand. You are right though, most of the tight players are not threats. However there are a few TAGS, and Semi-lags to look out for. I can tell you there are also several of the very good Party and Stars players that play there. I am profiting pretty well there now that I have settled in. I would not be surprised to see 6 or more $200 tables going there pretty soon.