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Postby Felonius_Monk » Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:46 pm

Those games must be juicier than I remember if you're sitting in em :twisted:
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Postby Kuso » Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:45 pm

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Postby Kuso » Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:54 pm

Another shortish session -- long sessions start tomorrow! :D

$200 Total Stats
Table hours: 5.5
Hands: 304
Net: +$369

I found a really juicy table on Saturday night -- chips were flying. Sadly, I got very little action on my handful of big hands and was largely flop dead. There was one hand that could have altered the results of this session substantially.

I had top set on a rainbow board with two low cards. Some dude min bet from MP on the flop. I put him on a good low draw, so I wanted to jam so that I could "make it hurt" for him to chase if he whiffs on the turn. Well, the turn comes low, no straights possible, but if he has a good draw, he's got 12 outs to scoop. He bet, I jammed, he called. The flush came on the river, and thankfully he didn't have it.

My thought was that I might be able to catch him with no counterfeit protection and might have outs to scoop him. I was a dog in this specific hand, but I'm not sure I'm a dog against his range. Given the money already in the pot, I thought it was a good play, but I'm not really sure.

What are your thoughts on playing top set on a board like this?


Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
9 players


Stack sizes:
UTG: $307.95
UTG+1: $198
MP1: $196.55
MP2: $254.20
Hero: $224.65
CO: $159.61
Button: $233.76
SB: $195.60
BB: $388.50

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with [Ah] [4h] [Qs] [Ad]
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: [Ts] [Ac] [5d] ($27, 5 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $2, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $31.65, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Turn: [6c] ($90.3, 2 players)
UTG bets $87.3, Hero raises all-in $188, UTG calls.

River: [Jc] ($466.3, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $466.3)


Results:
Final pot: $466.3
UTG shows 3d 8s 2s 4s
Hero shows Ah 4h Qs Ad


http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1896721
pokenum -o8 3d 8s 2s 4s - ah 4h qs ad -- ts ac 5d
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing Ts Ac 5d
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
8s 4s 2s 3d 245 245 566 9 580 0 9 0.510
Qs Ad Ah 4h 228 566 245 9 0 106 9 0.490


http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1896722
pokenum -o8 3d 8s 2s 4s - ah 4h qs ad -- ts ac 5d 6c
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 40 enumerated boards containing Ts Ac 6c 5d
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
8s 4s 2s 3d 12 12 28 0 40 0 0 0.650
Qs Ad Ah 4h 0 28 12 0 0 13 0 0.350
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Postby Phil153 » Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:22 pm

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Postby Kuso » Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:16 am

regarding the pfr...

i've been doing a lot of thinking about this, and this is something i'm trying out. a PSB pf is only going to get worse hands to fold and the strongest hands to call. furthermore, with two limpers in, most of those fvckers are going to call any raise, the pot will get inflated, and i'll basically be pot committed if i CB. i consider my strong point to be post-flop play (maybe this hand doesn't demonstrate it well), and pumping up the pot pf takes away a lot of post-flop options (both for me and options for my opponents to fvck up). if we were sitting on 200bb or more, then it'd be an easy BTP pf.

don't get me wrong, there are certain times that i do BTP pf, but i'm selective about it.


i'm a little bit confused by your recommended line. my first option when the action gets to me on the flop is to call a min bet ($2), raise, or fold -- check-call is not an option. are you recommending the i just flatcall the $2 bet and BTP when he BTPs (as he would when the low makes it) on the turn?

i should mention that part of my hope was to get a 23xx into a raising war on the flop and to price out some janky draws (e.g., JQKx). furthermore, i wanted to build the pot so that any low draw without a good high draw would be making a big mistake (both in terms of EV and $) if the low doesn't make it on the turn and someone decides to chase. just flatcalling the flop doesn't strike me as building the pot enough to punish on the turn. i could be wrong, though.
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Postby JDLush » Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:42 am

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Postby Kuso » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:13 am

Well, basically, I suck at getting table hours in. :evil:

The good news is that the reason I haven't been playing so much is due to the fact that my wife and I have found some AMAZING positions in CA that we're going to apply for. The bad news is that applying for jobs, especially these, can take a TON of time.

Anyway, I had a little cooler at the 100s off-project a few days ago. Nothing unusual -- river suckouts for boat over boat, whiffing flops, big draws missing, etc. Of course "cooler" just means that I lost 1.5 buy-ins, but I just have high expectations for the 100s. Anyway, I got a bit of that back today.

For the project, a whopping 16 hands for -$2.20. As I said before, I'm having to spend A LONG time waiting for a seat at a decent table, so my short sessions end up like this.

$200 Total Stats
Table hours: 5.75
Hands: 320
Net: +$367
Last edited by Kuso on Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:17 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Postby JDLush » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:35 pm

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Postby Kuso » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:01 pm

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200plo8 reality check

Postby Kuso » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:07 pm

I was due for this -$262 hit (in about 115 hands):

$200 Total Stats
Table hours: 7.75
Hands: 435
Net: +$105


Largely thanks to this beauty:

Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
10 players


Stack sizes:
UTG: $55.33
UTG+1: $251.83
UTG+2: $240.20
MP1: $200.95
Hero: $171.74
MP3: $97.14
CO: $235.78
Button: $124.21
SB: $192
BB: $202.64

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP2 with [8c] [2h] [Ah] [As]
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero raises to $11, 2 folds, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: [Kc] [7s] [Ac] ($47, 4 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $44.65, Button folds, UTG calls all-in $44.33, MP1 raises all-in $189.95, Hero calls all-in $116.09.
Uncalled bets: $29.21 returned to MP1.

Turn: [5c] ($412.81, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $179.99, Sidepot 1: $232.82)


River: [9h] ($412.81, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $179.99, Sidepot 1: $232.82)


Results:
Final pot: $412.81
Hero shows 8c 2h Ah As
UTG shows Td Th 6c Jc
MP1 shows 5d 6s 3c 2c


Three-way
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1933810
pokenum -o8 8c 2h ah as - td th 6c jc - 5d 6s 3c 2c -- kc 7s ac
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 666 enumerated boards containing 7s Ac Kc
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
As 8c Ah 2h 142 431 235 0 0 366 0 0.430
Jc 6c Td Th 48 198 468 0 0 0 0 0.185
6s 3c 2c 5d 37 37 629 0 476 0 0 0.385

HU for side pot
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1933825
pokenum -o8 8c 2h ah as - 5d 6s 3c 2c -- kc 7s ac / td th 6c jc
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 666 enumerated boards containing 7s Ac Kc
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
As 8c Ah 2h 164 498 168 0 0 366 0 0.497
6s 3c 2c 5d 168 168 498 0 476 0 0 0.503
Last edited by Kuso on Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:17 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Postby Kuso » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:30 pm

I should add that, if I'm not mistaken, I am 0 for my last 3 for scooping/getting scooped in all-in pots with top set versus low draw plus flush draw. i think i'm due... :?
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Postby Kuso » Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:59 pm

A quick 73 hands for $75 towards the project:

$200 Total Stats
Table hours: 9
Hands: 508
Net: +$180
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Postby Kuso » Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:20 am

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Postby JDLush » Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:46 pm

Dude, if you think that losing out on one pot with a set of aces is 'running cold' then I need to welcome you to my world. :evil:
That's a freakin regular occurrence for me.
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Postby teknipper » Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:10 am

Losing with a set of aces in that manner is not bad. Here is an example of a good hand gone bad. Note that the only way he can scoop me is to catch runner runner for flush and have those cards be two out of four cards or I will make a low. That is the proper way to lose with aces to leave you scratching your head.

Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha/8 Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
4 players


Stack sizes:
UTG: $396.40
Button: $191.32
Hero: $319.80
BB: $148

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with [Ad] [3c] [Ac] [4s]
2 folds, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: [9c] [2c] [As] ($8, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $7.6, Hero raises to $30.4, BB raises to $106.4, Hero raises to $334.4, BB calls all-in $45.2.
Uncalled bets: $182.8 returned to Hero.

Turn: [Js] ($311.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $311.2)


River: [Qs] ($311.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $311.2)


Results:
Final pot: $311.2
Hero balance 171.80 bet 308 collected 160 lost -148 [Ad] [3c] [Ac] [4s]
BB balance 294 bet 148 collected 294 net 146 [3s] [9d] [9s] [2d]

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1949528
pokenum -o8 ad 3c ac 4s - 9d 9s 3s 2d -- as 2c 9c
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing As 9c 2c
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
4s Ac 3c Ad 704 746 68 6 472 0 48 0.924
9s 3s 9d 2d 30 68 746 6 0 96 48 0.076
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