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is top set foldable on turn ?

Postby euri10 » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:55 pm

a hand I lose that Im thinking about
is it foldable on the turn ?
do I need to raise it on the flop ? I did not because I was ready to fold with a scary card on the turn and wanted more money,
2dimes simulations at the bottom

#Game No : 2704430546
***** Hand History for Game 2704430546 *****
$50 PL Omaha - Tuesday, September 13, 13:43:56 EDT 2005
Table Table 55068 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: sigarta ( $55.80 )
Seat 4: benovitch ( $29.41 )
Seat 2: tomahawk33 ( $5.03 )
Seat 6: Stang_1968 ( $65.20 )
Seat 1: Mickeyl521 ( $74.55 )
Seat 5: Ernst122 ( $52.75 )
Stang_1968 posts small blind [$0.25].
Mickeyl521 posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to benovitch [Qh] [Qs] [7h] [7c]
tomahawk33 folds.
sigarta folds.
benovitch calls [$0.50].
Ernst122 folds.
Stang_1968 calls [$0.25].
Mickeyl521 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [6s], [Qc], [Tc]
Stang_1968 bets [$1.45].
Mickeyl521 calls [$1.45].
benovitch calls [$1.45].
** Dealing Turn ** [3d]
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Stang_1968 bets [$5.60].
Mickeyl521 calls [$5.60].
benovitch is all-In [$27.46]
Stang_1968 calls [$21.86].
Mickeyl521 calls [$21.86].
** Dealing River ** [Ah]
Stang_1968 checks.
Mickeyl521 bets [$35].
Stang_1968 calls [$35].
Mickeyl521 shows [ 2c, Jc, Kc, 9s ] a straight, ten to ace.
benovitch doesn't show [ Qh, Qs, 7h, 7c ] three of a kind, queens.
Stang_1968 doesn't show [ Th, 3h, Td, 5h ] three of a kind, tens.
Mickeyl521 wins $70 from side pot #1 with a straight, ten to ace.
Mickeyl521 wins $85.23 from the main pot with a straight, ten to ace.
they already now dude
Game #2704437034 starts.

on the flop str8+flush draw is a favorite 60% against top and middle set

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1216958
pokenum -o qh qs 7h 7c - th 3h td 5h - 2c jc kc 9s -- 6s qc tc
Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing 6s Qc Tc
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qs 7c Qh 7h 201 30.18 465 69.82 0 0.00 0.302
Td Th 5h 3h 48 7.21 618 92.79 0 0.00 0.072
9s Kc Jc 2c 417 62.61 249 37.39 0 0.00 0.626

on the turn the big draw is still a favorite against top set but less, is it a flod against a good player ?

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1216962
pokenum -o qh qs 7h 7c - th 3h td 5h - 2c jc kc 9s -- 6s qc tc 3d
Omaha Hi: 36 enumerated boards containing 6s Qc Tc 3d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qs 7c Qh 7h 16 44.44 20 55.56 0 0.00 0.444
Td Th 5h 3h 1 2.78 35 97.22 0 0.00 0.028
9s Kc Jc 2c 19 52.78 17 47.22 0 0.00 0.528
I cried because I had no draw, until I met a man with no pair>>>MVSPORTS
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:37 pm

No, get your money in every time. You're going to be ahead 95% of the time here. Don't over complicate things; top set on a PLO board with no completed draws is never foldable under any circumstances.
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Postby kidluckee » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:57 pm

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Postby Felonius_Monk » Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:59 pm

It's possible in omaha for a drawing hand to be money favourite with one card to come; you need 21 outs or more. It is, however, very rare, and there's precisely no possibility of being up against a hand which is so much better that you can fold the top set, on the flop or the turn. I pretty much always go to the felt and/or raise the maximum amount possible with top set when there's no made draw out.
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Postby kidluckee » Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:42 am

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Postby Felonius_Monk » Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:15 pm

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Postby kidluckee » Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:17 pm

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Postby Felonius_Monk » Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:36 pm

The Monkman J[c]

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A licky boom boom down.
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