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Postby Aisthesis » Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:20 pm

This is a $100 table on Stars, and the players to my left have been bothering me a bit, particularly the re-raiser, who is doing this the second time. I haven't really seen any of their hands, because I haven't found a spot that I liked up to now. But my feel is that they don't need a whole lot to play this aggressively. They're not maniacs really, but they're bothersome enough that I need to find a spot to make a stand. Here's the one I picked:

2 limpers, and I complete in SB with 789J single suited to the J in clubs. BB ($114) now raises to $6, and UTG (the most bothersome player with position on me and $96 in chips) now makes it $15. The last time this guy re-raised, it was a little more passive than that. I'm pretty confident he has AA this time.

Folded to me, I feel like this is worth a call with my $108. BB also calls.

Flop then comes 963 with 2 spades that I don't have. My plan at this point is to CR AA. I think I'm usually ahead and not terribly far behind even if he has the spade draw. I've also been folding quite a bit up to now, so I do think my bets will get as much respect as these players are willing to give to anybody.

Anyhow, now BB pots for $45. UTG pushes.

I... CRAI

Thoughts?
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Postby pokerzen » Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:56 am

Personally I'd have a hard time doing this ... I'd be likely to fold. (6 nut outs with some runner-runner possibilities.) On the other hand I haven't run the numbers on twodimes, and this might be an opportunity to open up my own play a little better ... I'd be interested to see what everyone else says
<Big_Leon> start with the RAZZ tourney?
<pokerzen1> when did the razz tourney start?
<Big_Leon> starts in 2 minutes
<Big_Leon> just drew seats
<pokerzen1> too late then
<pokerzen1> damn damn damn
<Big_Leon> no, it's not too late gogogogogo
<pokerzen1> what's the tourney number?
<Big_Leon> 55852225
<Big_Leon> password is - irunbad i think
<Big_Leon> irunbad
<pokerzen1> made it :)
<pokerzen1> okay now how do you play razz?
<Big_Leon> i have no idea
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Postby Aisthesis » Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:43 am

Yeah, that's really the reason I posted it.

I didn't think either player was terribly strong here, and I was nearly certain UTG had AA.

BB actually folded to my raise, and I won HU vs. the inevitable AA.

If you look at this board more carefully, I have a full 19 outs against AA without spades and am 60-40 favorite roughly (presumaly simply because the 2 pair outs are weak and pairing any other card puts me drawing to my open-ender only). But I have 8 cards for my straight draw, then hitting any card in my hand for another 11.

If he has AA with spade draw, then I'm only a 60-40 underdog and am down to 14 outs, all of which are vulnerable to spades.

In fact, UTG had just naked As, so the flush wasn't an issue. If one assumes he'd play it this way on any AA, I'm 60-40 favorite against 75% of his range and 60-40 underdog aagainst 25%. If he'll only play it this way with As, then it's just 50-50 either way, so I'm basically 1:1.

Anyhow, if one sees the flop on this hand (I don't consider folding PF a mistake), I think you simply MUST go ahead and take your chances for the pot on this kind of board.
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Postby pokerzen » Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:58 am

My apologies I did actually misread this board ... waking up and trying to think at the same time is not ... often coincidal. :)

I have to run right now but I want to examine this again later ... this play does seem like something I should understand.

Thanks Ais!
<Big_Leon> start with the RAZZ tourney?
<pokerzen1> when did the razz tourney start?
<Big_Leon> starts in 2 minutes
<Big_Leon> just drew seats
<pokerzen1> too late then
<pokerzen1> damn damn damn
<Big_Leon> no, it's not too late gogogogogo
<pokerzen1> what's the tourney number?
<Big_Leon> 55852225
<Big_Leon> password is - irunbad i think
<Big_Leon> irunbad
<pokerzen1> made it :)
<pokerzen1> okay now how do you play razz?
<Big_Leon> i have no idea
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