Adam,
I think having your own section is a great idea. I always respected your poker advice. Anyway, we played at the same PLO table late lastnight on Party. Im BottleOfRed.

Ive started playing PLO at th Party $25 max buyin tables. Im playing pretty tight because im new to the game. At the low levels I play on Party Im sure youre well aware how awful the play is. Im pretty comfortable with post flop play. It seems that PLO is all about how you play the flop. My question is limping in preflop with marginal hands. The play is so bad at the $25PLO tables that I can see why limping in late position with marginal hands may be profitable. Also, at the Party tables youre pretty much playing for your stack if you continue past the flop... Lets say about 5-6 people are in the unraised pot preflop. What are the worst possible hands that a beginner should limp in with. Ive been folding a lot of hands.....What do you with hands like.
1)JJ36 double suited...I usually fold because my flush draws arent nut or close to nut flushes. The only real value is the JJ looking for a set..am i misssing out. Should i limp in.
2)AKT3...I have three broadway, but no suits, and a dangling 3 that doesnt really have any potential...But with three broadway is it worth the limp...I have been folding.
3)QJ78 single suited. Marginal hand to me. but is it worth the limp?

I have alot more questions ...but lets just start here.

I'm sure Adam will answer this question (as it is his section), and thus I will venture an opinion of what I do with these, rather than a definitive answer. With the first hand, I would usually limp with this if I think there is minimum chance of a raise. On Party hitting top set will generally get you paid off handsomely, and having two of the flush draws on your side (or blocked with 2 cards) could in fact be very useful. Your flush draws are basically garbage in most cases BUT if you hit your jack they could be a major asset as redraw or blocking cards. I will limp in most loose-passive calling games with any picture pair, the implied odds with such holdings against idiots are through the roof as long as you can lay them down on a non-top set flop, which is easy with this hand. This would be especially good at 25PLO where you can bank on even more dead money calls on the flop if you happen to catch. In a decent game this hand should usually be passed unless you have "proper" stacks.

With AKT3 and no suits, I have to say I'd usually fold in any spot. You can make so few straights with this you're basically drawing to one flop, that being JQx with 3 separate suits, which is a bit of a long shot even for party. That 3 is just horrible. And, with the aggression and looseness of this site, and the small stacks, your odds to draw a marginal straight on the flop are likely to be nullified as there's no way you want to play for your whole stack with that nonsense. Calling would not be terrible though, the Party fish will play this 99% of the time at PLO25, not realising that its a puny PLO hand, because "HEY it has AK!!!"...

With QJ78ss I'd be slightly more tempted to play it than the previous hand, though still a call is a little loose. If you're suited to the Q you could make some sort of a two-way draw. On party, with all the money going on the first two rounds, you need a pretty big hand on the flop to play, and thus you need a big draw if you have a drawing hand. This is definitely a drawing hand, from flop onwards. If you DO hit your dream flop though, notice you may have a LOT more straight outs than with the AKT3 hand; if you flop JQ in the first instance, you have 13 outs (discounting any draws), whereas if QJ78 hits 9T you have an awesome wrap with 20 (!!!) straightening outs, plus the possibility of a flush. Additionally, you're more likely to catch a "little" of the flop, letting you limp to a turn in position if possible; AKT3 can hit a big straight draw with JQ or a high two pair/set hand; that's all. QJ78 can hit a bigger straight WRAP as well as 2 pair (not likely a very good one) BUT you can also catch some crumbs on a flop like 56J, KT7 etc. with some small straight draws that might win a pot if the rest of the field give you a free (or cheap) card. This hand is playable late on in a very loose, passive game, but for a beginning player I would generally reckon it's better off in the muck. In the 100 and 200 buyin games I'll usually drop this to be honest, unless I am on the button, CO or SB on a passive table.

Anyways, that's my opinion on this, apologies for answering your question Adam (!) but like I said it's just my thoughts on it, and I thought it was an interesting question so it got me thinking.

Monk
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I've been sick this week, and am only now getting to this question. Sorry. Anyway, I want to say that I am going to be careful amount omaha information. It's like a paradox.
If I don't help people out, they won't buy my book. If I help too much, they won't NEED to buy my books.

but, I don't want to be like some chicken shift authors, who just give CANNED SAY Nothing answers, this this

Well, it sounds as though the mere asking of this question, shows that you have a good understanding of the game, and are well on your way to becoming a great player. I'm sure your judgement will be fine."


DON"T YOU JUST PLUCKIN' HATE that!! I won't mention any names, but a lot of the "famous" authors, give answers like that. They don't want to tell you anything, but they WON'T admit it.


So, Ok, here goes


With a limited buy in of only 50xbb, it no longer is essential to have a great starting hand.

When playing REAL PLO, you MUST have hands, that have the potential to offer two and even three way hands/draws, with redraws. This is also true, because the players are not stupid enough, to make calls with any old hand.

but, in the party games, they will call with ANYTHING, when you have the nuts.

Speaking of that, ATE will now introduce yet another 100% original ATE term:

NLTRN (pronounced "Nilturn") This means: Nuts likely to remain nuts. This is the essence of omaha, NLTRN!!! NLTRN!!!

Flopping a straight, with no redraw, and a flush draw present, is NOT NLTRN!! (when you have a big stack)

Let the OTHER guy, call you with the nut straight, when YOU have the same, plus a flush, set or two pair redraw

So, what I'm saying, is that you don't have to get too worried about having some perfect monster hand, when the bet is only the blind. Go ahead, and play any ace suited with any two cards. Play any pair, Queens or better. I do NOT like the JJ36 hand, as a set of jacks can NEVER be the nuts, while QQQ can be, with a specific board.

The last thing you want, when you hit your set, is to be oversetted.

Now, the trick with this loose starting hand requirements, is to NOT call big raises with fair hands. I've seen for or five players, put in their whole stack, in this game, over and over again.

KQ 78 is too weak, to play. BUT, if you have a double connector, with oooooops, I can't tell you that, sorry but ATE is the only omaha expert in the world to know about this, so I gotta save it for my book.

Avoid three wrappers, such as 9 10 J 2 5 6 7 J, ect. Just has too limited potential.

How you play after the flop, is more important (within reason) than what you do before the flop, when the bet is minimul.


QQ45 is mighty good, when the flop comes Q 10 10, and two people have a ten. You are calling one bet, trying to win 100 bets, and if you can disclipline yourself not to get involved, when it's raised and reraised behind you, I see no reason for not playing the hands I've mentioned.

Are your books currently for sale or are they works in progress?

I’ve looked all over this site and found no links to where or how they can be purchased, I would be interested in purchasing your PLO book if you have one available and it is reasonably priced, how or when will they be available?

From what I know Adam has written a couple books... Most of them he was forced to sale during rough times.

Hey adam, is there any chance for you to buy the rights back to your books? Every Omaha player is waiting for your L/PLO/8 book.
Maybe you could pass along the name of the guy you sold it too.. So we can rob him. j/k