Anybody here played these 2 sites?

I was lookin at BW's new games rating grid, and both of these sites seem to always be right at the top of the list for softness/pot size for the games that I play. They seem to have decent signup bonuses.

Just wondering if anybody has any experience with them as far as game availability, software quality, cashouts and such.

Poker4ever was heavily promoting their website with hot girls handing out fliers and junk at the WPT Reno. Was going to give it 2 months from then (which is about now) and check it out.

Any one?

I played fantasy, the site is pretty empty I wouldn't bother. No more than 200 players on at a time usually and the ring games are quite sparse. Same with 4ever.