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Postby Lumberjack » Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:24 am

Ok, now I'm on tilt after the lost full house hand.

The flop bet looks ok, what about the turn, monk?

Ultimate Bet Pot-Limit Omaha High, $.25 BB (10 handed)

Button ($20.25)
Hero ($22.50)
BB ($15.30)
UTG ($10.85)
UTG+1 ($45.30)
UTG+2 ($27.75)
MP1 ($74.50)
MP2 ($5.35)
MP3 ($17)
CO ($7)

Preflop: Hero is SB with [Ah], [Ks], [Ad], [Kc].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 3 folds, MP3 raises to $0.5, 1 fold, Button calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.5, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2.25, MP3 calls $2, Button calls $2.

Flop: ($10.25) [Js], [2d], [9h] (4 players)
Hero bets $10.25, UTG+1 folds, MP3 folds, Button calls $10.25.

Turn: ($30.75) [5d] (2 players)
Hero bets $9.75 (All-In), Button calls $7.50 (All-In).

River: ($48) [3c] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $48

Results in white below:
Button has Tc Qh 2c 9c (two pair, nines and twos).
Hero has Ah Ks Ad Kc (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Button wins $45.75. Hero wins $2.25.
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Postby euri10 » Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:47 am

tough to abandon such a good hand on the turn, I often make this mistake after having lead the flop out of position, question of style I think.
but it's in this exact situation you can see how better u'd be in position.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Mon Mar 07, 2005 8:32 am

That was not your flop, I'm afraid. That J9 on there is smack bang in the middle of the likely range of cards that would be smooth calling your relatively large raise on the flop; you have no draw and only an overpair (admittedly a good one). A hand like two pair with a draw of some sort is beating you very badly here. With three players left to bet its almost impossible for you to be winning outright here; if you've any chance of winning the pot outright with your bet it's more worthwhile (even against a set at least you have 4 nut outs), but I really feel against 3 opponents your chances of having the best hand and your chances of folding away everyone else are likely to be slim to none. I think you should've given up on the flop.

On the turn there's a chance he is playing a big wrap draw and thus that your hand is ahead, so betting here is fine. If you're going to call that $7.50 (which I assume you are) you might as well go ahead and bet it. Most of the money went in on the flop so the turn play is fairly unimportant. You still had 10 outs against 2 pair, and are favourite over a draw.

You really want to avoid over-valuing AA hands on bad flops. Any flop that brings a pair to the board above about a 5, two cards in the mid-high region, a mid/low straight-making board, two non-ace broadway cards, or two suited connecting cards, are usually pretty much death for unimproved aces. I tend to only bet pot again with AAxx if I have an overpair to a VERY uncoordinated board and am checked to (Q73 rainbow etc), if I am heads up with a fairly uncoordinated board or against a tight player, if I catch my ace (obviously) and there's a draw out, or if the board has given me a flush draw with my ace as an overpair (Kh 7h 4c with AAxx two hearts), or occasionally if there's a low pair out and the field is short and relatively tight (Q33etc.).

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