I'm not a fan of short handed O8 myself. I would go so far as to say that, unless you have some maniacs on the table, it's NOT a good game. I think most of the profit in O8 comes from games where a large number of players are seeing flops and building pots on the early streets with cards that are drawing very thin, which doesn't really happen in the shorthanded games by necessity. I might have to play it when I look to move up the limits, though... I have a project about to kick off on Empire that I will be posting details of tonight!
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Holes and how to fix them!
by TexasKowboy » Fri Dec 03, 2004 8:32 am
Kowboy
If I ain't sinkin', well I must be swimin' If I ain't dead, I must be livin' Livin' is the thing, that scares me the most And if I ain't sleepin', well I better be fishin' If I ain't anchored I will be driftin' But all and all, I'm doing pretty good, since I hit my third coast!
If I ain't sinkin', well I must be swimin' If I ain't dead, I must be livin' Livin' is the thing, that scares me the most And if I ain't sleepin', well I better be fishin' If I ain't anchored I will be driftin' But all and all, I'm doing pretty good, since I hit my third coast!
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by Felonius_Monk » Fri Dec 03, 2004 8:42 am
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by TexasKowboy » Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:37 am
Kowboy
If I ain't sinkin', well I must be swimin' If I ain't dead, I must be livin' Livin' is the thing, that scares me the most And if I ain't sleepin', well I better be fishin' If I ain't anchored I will be driftin' But all and all, I'm doing pretty good, since I hit my third coast!
If I ain't sinkin', well I must be swimin' If I ain't dead, I must be livin' Livin' is the thing, that scares me the most And if I ain't sleepin', well I better be fishin' If I ain't anchored I will be driftin' But all and all, I'm doing pretty good, since I hit my third coast!
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by Felonius_Monk » Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:33 am
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by flintsword » Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:20 pm
Hi TexasKowboy,
I agree with Monk, the problem is not staying away from ring games, but meeting & beating them
. The fact that you are doing well in MTTs means that you have the discipline, which is the biggest battle.
I'm with you though on the problem of playing well in a tournament, pay $50 entry, make $100 or $200, then move to a ring game and watch your game go to seed. I have noticed from my notes that whenever I play a ring game immediately after a tournament, the results, playing decisions, everything (!!) are horrible. I look at the hand history and wonder who the hell played this way. The times that I finished a tournaemnt, and had a chore or some work to do to make a break, and THEN sat down to play a ring game, I have very good results.
So for me it is a question of mindset. The mindset for a tournament is different enough from ring games that you need to unplug a bit between them. Two years ago I was playing well in the biggest and best tournament (B&M) of my life. When I left the tournament a few seats away from the final table I passed on the great side action and instead went to the Mirage to book a table at Renoirs to celebrate.
You see, for B&M play I already knew that stepping right into a ring game after a tournament is a bankroll killer, yet it never occurred to me for online play until I saw the pattern in my notebook. I tell you, I felt like a dummy when the question of gapping my play between tournaments and ring games emerged.
This is - by the way - a good example why keeping some kind of a poker journal is valuable. When you are looking to plug leaks, you need all the help you can get.
Since I have done that online, my ring game results have improved. Hope this idea is one that could help.
I agree with Monk, the problem is not staying away from ring games, but meeting & beating them
. The fact that you are doing well in MTTs means that you have the discipline, which is the biggest battle.I'm with you though on the problem of playing well in a tournament, pay $50 entry, make $100 or $200, then move to a ring game and watch your game go to seed. I have noticed from my notes that whenever I play a ring game immediately after a tournament, the results, playing decisions, everything (!!) are horrible. I look at the hand history and wonder who the hell played this way. The times that I finished a tournaemnt, and had a chore or some work to do to make a break, and THEN sat down to play a ring game, I have very good results.
So for me it is a question of mindset. The mindset for a tournament is different enough from ring games that you need to unplug a bit between them. Two years ago I was playing well in the biggest and best tournament (B&M) of my life. When I left the tournament a few seats away from the final table I passed on the great side action and instead went to the Mirage to book a table at Renoirs to celebrate.
You see, for B&M play I already knew that stepping right into a ring game after a tournament is a bankroll killer, yet it never occurred to me for online play until I saw the pattern in my notebook. I tell you, I felt like a dummy when the question of gapping my play between tournaments and ring games emerged.
This is - by the way - a good example why keeping some kind of a poker journal is valuable. When you are looking to plug leaks, you need all the help you can get.
Since I have done that online, my ring game results have improved. Hope this idea is one that could help.
flintsword
"The lucky player is usually the player who knows how much to leave to chance."(c)
"The lucky player is usually the player who knows how much to leave to chance."(c)
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by Tepshen73 » Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:21 am
I don't mean to hijack a thread but Flintsword what do you put in your journal? As of now I just write down mistakes I make and ideas that pop inmy head while playing
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by flintsword » Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:26 pm
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"The lucky player is usually the player who knows how much to leave to chance."(c)
"The lucky player is usually the player who knows how much to leave to chance."(c)
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