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RAZZ (HORSE of Course)

Postby Marm » Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:58 am

Two things

1) What is you minimum starting hand requirements to play? 6, 7, 8 Low?

2) What do you think of this play? (Probably another "looks fine" hand, but I don't play a lot of Razz)

PokerStars Game #5962358121: HORSE (Razz Limit, $1/$2) - 2006/08/18 - 12:46:18 (ET)
Table 'Luda' 8-max
Seat 1: Zidane Valor ($97.95 in chips)
Seat 2: Lucky_WIns ($38.65 in chips)
Seat 3: 8 PEOPLES ($66.60 in chips)
Seat 4: kleath ($38.20 in chips)
Seat 5: CyborgSHK ($16.20 in chips)
Seat 6: Trikinox ($54.20 in chips)
Seat 7: staldog ($42.25 in chips)
Seat 8: ThadRL ($59.90 in chips)
Trikinox: posts the ante $0.10
staldog: posts the ante $0.10
ThadRL: posts the ante $0.10
Zidane Valor: posts the ante $0.10
Lucky_WIns: posts the ante $0.10
8 PEOPLES: posts the ante $0.10
kleath: posts the ante $0.10
CyborgSHK: posts the ante $0.10
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to Zidane Valor [Ac]
Dealt to Lucky_WIns [3h]
Dealt to 8 PEOPLES [Ks]
Dealt to kleath [8d]
Dealt to CyborgSHK [8s]
Dealt to Trikinox [9s]
Dealt to staldog [4d]
Dealt to ThadRL [2h] [3s] [4c]
8 PEOPLES: brings-in low $0.50
kleath: folds
CyborgSHK: folds
Trikinox: folds
staldog: calls $0.50
ThadRL: raises $0.50 to $1
Zidane Valor: folds
Lucky_WIns: folds
8 PEOPLES: folds
staldog: calls $0.50
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to staldog [4d] [3c]
Dealt to ThadRL [2h] [3s] [4c] [6s]
8 PEOPLES leaves the table
staldog: checks
ThadRL: bets $1
staldog: calls $1
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to staldog [4d] [3c] [Jh]
Dealt to ThadRL [2h] [3s] [4c] [6s] [Th]
ThadRL: bets $2
staldog: calls $2
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to staldog [4d] [3c] [Jh] [5d]
Dealt to ThadRL [2h] [3s] [4c] [6s] [Th] [3d]
ThadRL: bets $2
staldog: calls $2
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to ThadRL [2h] [3s] [4c] [6s] [Th] [3d] [4h]
ThadRL: checks
staldog: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
staldog: shows [8c 2d 4d 3c Jh 5d 2s] (Lo: 8,5,4,3,2)
ThadRL: mucks hand
staldog collected $12.80 from pot
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Postby flafishy » Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:07 am

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Postby Beavis68 » Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:25 am

I wouldnt play 876 most of the time.

Maybe A58, but not really rough hands like 876.

6th you need to go into check call mode. That 5 was bad for your hand, although he checked behind on the river (which was dumb) so it probably saved you a bet ( but he may have checked behind on 6th too.
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Postby Juskimo » Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:41 pm

Im with ed on this one.

As far as starting hands. Almost any 8 if it contains an ace. I will also play almost any 3 card hand with a 7 redraw if my highest card is lower than the lowest card showing (ie Ill play 1076 with a bunch of face cards showing).

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Re: RAZZ (HORSE of Course)

Postby emmasdad » Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:47 am

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Postby Marm » Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:18 am

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Postby Beavis68 » Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:03 am

I guess we play different opponenents.

Since statistically you are behind 70%-80% of the time, and you are out of position, I don't see how I am seeing "monsters under the bed"

The comment that he "must be drawing" because he flat called on 5th is pretty self evident by the card he caught - J. Now he catches good, so he most likely isnt drawing any more. If the guy is bad enough to call wiht a pair and a jack, on 5th, i want to add him to my Christmas card list.

What do you do if you are raised on 6th? You can't fold because you built a pot giving yourself 7.5:1 odds.

What do you call a raise or a bet with on the river?

Razz isn't my best game, I am still learning how to think in it. The twodimes sims are fine, but you have to put some percentages to likely occurence of different scenarios.

If I did my math right, there is only about a 29% chance of that 5 pairing him if he started with an 8 low or better. 21% if you think he would call with 9 to a nine.

So, 70+% of the time you will be betting as a big dog (4:1).

I will run some more numbers later. This hand is interesting. I think the EV here is a in how well you play 6th and 7th, Kind of like blind raising in limit holdem.
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Postby Danhdan » Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:24 pm

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