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Postby Aisthesis » Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:31 pm

On this one, I had every intention of folding until the action got back to me. I'd seen the mini-bettor make the same move and fold just a few hands earlier, and he just seemed horribly weak, passive, donk-ish.

My real question on this one is whether I should have check-raised the river. I really think I should have at least mini-raised ... ??

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
9 players


Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP1 with :8h :7h :9s :4h
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: :kd :4s :7c ($6, 6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO bets $1, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $9.7, MP3 folds, CO calls, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: :7s ($26.4, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: :3s ($26.4, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $12, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $50.4

Villain has 3665.
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Postby Stoneburg » Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:09 pm

A mini-bet/call is always some weak-ass draw. I figured 65 when I saw it. I don't know why they do it, they shouldjust take the free card or make a real bet and get some fold equity. Muppets.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:25 pm

I think I like it all the way. My usual line would be to bet something on the river as I think it's more than possible he has a high pair of some sort that would at least pay something off, though against someone you know likes to bluff when checked to (I figure most of the time the typical $100 player who makes that min bet either has next to nothing or something that he's happy to show down for free, like a pair of kings, and they're usually not that agressive) it's not a bad idea actually.

If you do get him to bet out I don't think I like the raise too much - on the off chance he had K7 on the flop (unlikely but not impossible for a min bet) you don't want to face a raise, and in all honesty I can't see him calling a raise with pretty much any vaguely feasible hand here that you beat. As you've already described him as weak passive-ish I think it raises the chance he genuinely has something on the river, but it's still an easy call obviously. Don't think a raise will achieve much unless he has a 7 (and in that unlikely event I expect he'll have a K or a 4 fairly often too).
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Postby Aisthesis » Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:44 am

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Postby Felonius_Monk » Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:32 am

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A licky boom boom down.
Detective mon said daddy me snow me stab someone down the lane,
A licky boom boom down." - Snow, 1993
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Postby pnutbutr » Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:13 pm

^ No, I didn't limp with that hand.

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