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Min raising Preflop in PL Omaha Hi

Postby briachek » Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:10 am

Are there any hands that you should min raise preflop in PL Omaha Hi in order to build a pot so a big bet can be made on the flop?
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:25 am

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Postby Felonius_Monk » Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:56 am

To expand on this, if you have a hand good enough to raise, why not raise the max and take full advantage?

If you're playing Party/Empire, where the blinds are stupidly large in comparison to starting stacks, I can see a good argument for making 1/2 pot raises etc in LP with strong holdings, as you don't want to be pot committed preflop.... Usually, though, in a "normal" game with 100-200BB stack minimum, a raise should customarily be the size of the pot. You are in essence correct that a major reason for raising in omaha is to build the size of the pot and allow a BIGGER pot sized raise on the flop, which may (especialy at party) put you all in, or at the very least totally committed to the pot. However, it shouldn't be overlooked that clearing away a few limpers with certain hands and "promoting" some weaker features is another good reason to raise the level of the playing field, and with hands like QJT8ds you might clear out a few players with suited queens or kings, making a later made straight into a winner. I wouldn't ever MINIMUM raise though, except maybe as a joke to piss off DODGYKEN when he limps.

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Postby DODGYKEN » Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:30 am

Just try it, Monkeyman, and see what happens.

I'd be min re-raising it straight back at your lazy ass.

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Postby briachek » Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:50 pm

For the most part, if you raise preflop and get one or two callers to a blank flop, do you give up or try to win it right there? Is this completely a feel thing? Once again, I've been stuck in the holdem mentality that even if you miss the flop, you usually still bet representing that you have what the flop has or you had a great hand and don't need the flop (like with AA or KK).

For example: You raise preflop with AAJ10 double suited and the flop comes K82 rainbow. You are in LP and there's two people that paid full price preflop and the pot is about $7. Do you give up on this and check? Make a 1/2-2/3 pot bet? Bet pot? I know this has a lot to do with reads but i've been caught in this situation many times.

If one person calls a pot bet, you may still be winning (because its Party). A blank hits the turn, do you bet big again or shutdown? If you shutdown and miss on the river, you have to fold to any river bet with your naked aces.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:36 pm

Pretty much yep; and you're right that its a feel thing. Even at Party 25PLO sometimes people fold I guess (though I must admit that I havent played those games in a while). I think it is definitely worth taking a stab on that flop, if someone has a set they'll raise and you can likely give up, whilst against anything else you have a decent shot plus some fold equity. Once you get called feel free to check it down, however.

Note this is an example of why position is more important than some people think in PLO - in these max buy in games often spots like this where you're plaing fish with a very average hand, it's much nicer to be acting last, especially if they're passive when acting first but aggressive if you check to them (which is often the case with many PLO players).

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