Im playing $100NL at FTP.
Im in the BB with KK. MP opens by min raising. Its folded to me and I reraise to $8. He now reraises to $14. That looks like AA to me. I call.
Pot is about $30. The flop comes AK4. I check and he checks.
Pot is still $30. The turn is a ten. I bet $15 and he goes all in. Its $90 to me with a pot of $135.
OK. I can almost see his AA, but he could also very easily have AK or TT.
Alot of people min raise with both of those hands. Maybe he wouldnt reraise my preflop raise with TT or maybe he would. Ive never played him before. I was in a hand similar to this not too long ago at FTP where I got into a similar raising war preflop. That one had another raise or 2 preflop. I had KK. The flop was Kxx and a guy check raised me all in. He had JJ.
Can you lay down a set of kings here?

i thought this was a 2-4 hand? i guess it makes no difference but i read the post at 2plus2.
matty

I had a similar hand the other day as well where some guy thought it was cool to come over the top of me with 10-10. The only reason I didn't lay down my kings (why do we never have A-A to make this situation easy ) is because the call-raise was from middle position, which isn't where someone tries to pull that move with aces. I don't think he'd come over the top of you on the flop and then play the hand like he did unless he has aces. You should probably lay it down but I don't know if I would have the discipline to.

Cholo. The hand actually occurred as posted here. I had my reasons for posting it differently there. If you read the other thread at 2+2 that I started the other day then you'll probably understand why I did it.
I had to post it as higher stakes to get those "know it alls" over there to respond.

With not much info on the other player I don't think I could lay this down, one unit raise means a lot of different things. First off I think it usually means bad player, but in my experiance with people making this play with AA, they are usually hoping to get reraised since the whole point of rasing one unit is to raise but to show weakness at the same time, so somone will make a play at them and they can reraise. So I doubt he is playing AA. More likely Ax maybe AK though a lot less likely with you having KK. This would also follow the pattern of A/10 or even if he is a really bad player QJ. Since you dont have a lot if info on him this is a risk I would take. In the same situation.

There is no way I am laying down KK here. There are enough dumb players online to make this call MORE than worthwhile in my opinion. Clearly there is the danger of him having AA but I don't even think he would go allin with it. You checked the flop and then led out with a weak bet. What reason would he have to massively overbet the pot? Is he that tricky a player to disguise the nuts as a bluff? I wouldn't think so. I think AK is a good possibility here, and even AQ isn't out of the question. TT is probably also a possibility. Hell, he could be semibluffing with the QQ here, thinking he's got 6 outs. I have a tough time laying down KK as it is, but when you flop a set I really don't think you can fold it unless a flush is possible.

On another note, I have been following 2+2 for a while now and I thought that some of the reponses that the first thread got were pretty amusing. They are a pretty arrogant bunch, but some of the supposed know-it-alls do post some consistently dumb advice so I never bothered actually posting there. Of course there are some pros there whos opinions I respect greatly, but judging by the responses to that thread the clowns outnumber the pros.

iceman,

Well, I can lay down a set of kings here but I don't. This is $100 NL and if I've never played this person before and have no information on him then I'm certainly calling and will simply take my lumps if he has AA.

I'm not under the delusion that he will play this hand the same way that I would - but I woudn't re-raise to $14. It's going to cost you alot more than that or I'm going to smooth call. I agree with the other posters who suggested that he might have AK or AQ or even a worse hand. That doesn't mean he doesn't have AA - but I don't believe that the betting pattern against a player you don't know means necessarily AA.

TUP

I hate hands like this because I knew he had AA but still just about HAD to call because there are so many people who would make this same play with AK or TT that I think its +EV to call even ignoring my AA read.

I typed "let me guess, you have AA, but I cant lay this down" and I called. He of course had AA.

The guy was playing with his friend, who is a UPFer that I didnt recognize, right beside him. I dont know why I even mention that except that he recognized me so i thought it was interesting.

Maybe, if you have that strong of a read on the situation, the opponent and the move that was made, you can lay down there...I figure if my read is 95% or better, I can lay it down if I am beat no matter what I have...of course, that might be wishful thinking too.

While everyone who posted above me is a much better NLHE player then I am (and I don't think that I could have laid it down) I would have put you opponent on A's.

He proved by the one unit raise pre flop that he was a bad player and his turn play is a classic sign of a bad player seeing a scare card. With A's your opponent has gotta love that flop, in fact he loved it so much that he was willing to slow play. When the 10 hits on the turn he no longer has the nuts and asks himself "why did I slowplay this". When you make a smallish bet he panics and goes all in. If he is as bad as I am thinking he wouldn't even have thought to try to put you on a hand instead he is just mortally afraid that his set of A's might not be good.

It is a play that I see fairly often from bad players and I don't really understand it. I would think that you should slow down when a draw hits not speed up. However bad players like these are who make us money.

Just my 2c.

Rather than being scared of the straight on the turn, I think he is trying to protect from the straight. Although there are many reckless players, I don't know many that re-raise w/ QJ out of position (and call a 3rd raise) . Additionally, if the player is from UPF, they will know Iceman is a solid player and QJ is totally out of the question.

Well, I didnt know about the UPF connection until after the hand, but I think QJ is out of the question anyway (for either of us)