by Cactus Jack » Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:58 am
Anytime three people--or two--get together and talk about poker, the subject of the differences between limit and no limit come up. If one is a limit player and the other plays no limit. I guess I'm one of the few people that have played both a lot, as well as tournaments. I tell people that they are three different games played with the same rules. Nothing could be closer to Truth, with a capital T.
The subject came up yesterday in the Wed Poker Discussion Group, as well as in my email box. I have very strong opinions on the subject, and as I needed something to write about, I'll post 'em up as I promised to my friend in email.
"Limit poker is science, while no limit is art. In limit, you are shooting at a target. In no limit, the target can wake up and shoot back." Crandell Addington, oilman and world-class poker player of the Sixties and Seventies
Boy, is he right. We had a really nice discussion on the topic at yesterday's WPDG with Barry Tanenbaum. (That's where my new sig line came from. Cool, huh?) One of the regulars is a pretty good limit player, and her friend who's been playing no limit--(and hopefully not reading this journal)--said he's been playing some low limit games when he gets tired of concentrating so hard when he's playing no limit. As he really doesn't have as much of a clue about no limit as he thinks, he is totally out of his element in limit.
Limit is really mostly the math. If you have the proper pot odds, you play, and if you don't, you don't. It's a gross oversimplification, but still basically true. You can make moves, but they are more rare than no limit players do. You are playing bigger hands, more often high cards, and raising is much more important than limping. Because you are "unable to protect your hands," you need to have the second way to win a pot, and that's getting your opponent to fold. Notice I said the singular opponent, because often when in a multiway pot, you won't get everyone to fold. Different strategies apply when you can't bet enough to fold everyone. Plus, raising, you get more money in the pot.
Building a pot in no limit often backfires. You build a pot for someone else to win. Trapping in no limit is a much more valuable play in no limit than in limit. In limit, because the bets are limited, you don't get more than a couple of bets when trapping. In no limit, you can get a whole stack.
There are many, many ways that the two games are different. Some day, some smart poker author is going to write a book on the differences and it will sell well. Few people really can go back and forth between the games and not lose their ass. I find it easier to go from no limit to limit than from limit to no limit. The game is just easiers in limit. You don't have a million subtleties in limit. You don't have to be on guard at all times. Limit is a game of getting in with small edges, while that's a recipe for disaster in no limit.
With Barry, he said to never forget what the goal is in no limit. Doubling up through your opponent. In limit, you can win 6 small pots and lose the last one and have a good day. In no limit, it's possible to win 6 small pots and lose the last one and go home broke. In limit, you want to win as many pots as you can. If you play a six hour session and win 2 pots, you're going to be going home with less than you came with. But in no limit, you can win 2 pots all day and it can be a really, really good day.
Which do I like more? I get that question a lot. The truth is, I don't know. I like them both. A lot. I perhaps like the difference more than the individual games. I love the strategy of no limit, and the tactics of limit. I like knife thrusts and throwing hand grenades. I guess I just like poker.
I can go on and on with this line, if anyone would like. It's always instructive to think about the differences, because it makes you a better player regardless of which game you prefer to play.
"Are the players better as the stakes go up? It's not an exam; it's a buyin." Barry Tanenbaum