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Postby RedBarracuda » Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:36 am

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Postby Danhdan » Tue Jun 05, 2007 2:19 pm

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Postby Danhdan » Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:31 am

"Million dollar play, ten cent finish."

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Postby Stoneburg » Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:30 pm

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Postby Stoneburg » Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:36 pm

One hour session, won ~$200, mainly due to some huge PLO8 hands. Made about $180 at the one PLO8 table and about $20 on the three hold'em tables, mainly die to really just dumping off $130 just before I logged out on rediculous plays. I will now share those rediculous plays for public humiliation so I don't do it again.

Table 1
EP raises to $4 and I *missclick* and call with [Ac][5c]. Crap. Flop comes Q75. Fuggit, I lead out with my bottom pair and top kicker. He miniraises... oh ffs... I call. What am I doing... turn is another Q, I check, he checks behind. Ok.. now I have him squarely on JJ, KK, AA or AK. River is a brick, I figure that I should be able to rep AQ here so I bet like 2/3 of pot, he calls with KK. Duh.

Table 2
Three hands in quick succession against the same player.

Hand 1, I raise in SB with AJ against a shorty, he miniraises, I put him in. He calls with K5o and spikes a K.

Hand after, I raise A9s OTB, he calls with 62s. He flops bottom pair, I flop nothing. He miniraises my bet (again!), I push and he calls with bottom pair and holds up. Fuck.

The very next hand I raise with KTo, he calls. Flop comes Jxx, I bet, he miniraises. Oh ffs... I call for some reason, turn is a T and I check call him down, he has JJ.

Grah. And I was JUST about to log out before all these four hands happened, but decided to stay until the blinds came around in my FR PLO8 game. BAD DECISION.


Yuck.

Still, $200/hr is not to be sneezed at I guess.
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Postby Stoneburg » Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:13 pm

School is out for summer, as is the student loan. I've once again decided to live off poker for a period of my life. In fall I am probably going back to school, which will mean student loan and a steady but small ($1k) income which will be sweetened with whatever I withdraw from the bankroll. Assuming I go back of course. I think I will, but I can't predict the future. Either way, I will have to live off my bankroll for 3 months.

Good news is, that shouldn't be a problem. I've done it before with a smaller bankroll and less experience. However, what I had more of back then was energy and dedication. I was able to get in 100 hours/month or more when neede. This year I have averaged 35hrs/month so far. However, for June I've already gotten 36 hours in and only a bit more than half of the month is gone.

I've averaged a bit over $40/hr when playing so far this year. Don't know how close that is to my "true" win/rate but it is over more than 200 hours of play so it should at least be in the neighbourhood. I'm budgeting for 50hrs/month which would make my monthly profit $2k. Enough for both living expenses (I can *survive* on 1k) and some growth (not much). If I get more money in or run good, it will go to building the roll. At the moment the roll is a bit over $3k after me withdrawing a bit over $8k so far this year.

Currently I play from $20 to the $400 level. When I am above $100 I usually shortstack it but not always, depending on if I find some juicy tables. Now that I will be living off it however, I will start applying more conservative rules.

Right now I will play $100 until I have 30 buy-ins for the $200 level, then I will move up. Before I move to the $400 level I will need 50 buy-ins. If I drop below the point of buyins, whether it is due to losing or withdrawing, I will drop back down.

I will allow myself to shortstack at levels up to 5x that if the tables look juicy. I will have a stop loss at 5 buy-ins.

Every month I will withdraw $1k for expenses, and at the end of summer I will withdraw the $1.5k for rent money. So basically I have a "summer nut" of $4.5k.


Just got back from 3 days of camping in a beautiful ravine with the girlfriend and the dog. Really rejuvenated me (pics later) and I sat down and played a short (1.5hrs) session where I made a bit over $300 so all is good.

Also managed a suckout that I will save for my anti-tilt list:


**** Hand 354312724 *****
2.50/5.00 Omaha High Low (PL) - Sunday, June 17, 2007 4:23:32 PM
David 9 (Vanlig/Cash Game)
Plats 1: Hero (509.73)
Plats 2: Gundarf (412.15)
Plats 3: posan (160.45)
Plats 7: henke74 (0.00)
Plats 9: punken67 (244.15)
Plats 10: asskungen (1021.12)
Gundarf lägg LM 2.50
posan lägg SM 5.00
** Giv **
Hero [3s][9c][Ts][Ac]
*** Bet Runda 1 ***
punken67 Höj till 10.00
asskungen Syna 10.00
Hero Höj till 47.50
Gundarf Lägg
posan Lägg
punken67 Syna 47.50
asskungen Lägg
*** Flop(Board): *** : [4c] [Jc] [Kd]
*** Bet Runda 2 ***
punken67 Passa
Hero Satsa 112.50
punken67 Syna 112.50
*** Turn(Board): *** : [4c] [Jc] [Kd] [5h]
*** Bet Runda 3 ***
punken67 Passa
Hero Satsa 230.00
punken67 All-in 84.15
*** River(Board): *** : [4c] [Jc] [Kd] [5h] [2s]
*** Showdown *** : Rake: 12.60 Totalpott: 493.20
Hero [3s, 9k, 10s, Ek] Stege med högsta kort femma 5,4,3,2,A Vinst: 493.20
Gundarf Lägger mig Vinst: 0.00
posan Lägger mig Vinst: 0.00
henke74 [N/A, N/A, N/A, N/A] Högsta kort fyra Vinst: 0.00
punken67 [2r, 2h, Er, Knr] Triss i tvåor Vinst: 0.00
asskungen Lägger mig Vinst: 0.00


Ok so it wasn't a HUGE upset or anything. I had 47.3% equity on the flop and 27.5% on the turn, but hitting the deuce for the scoop with him holding two deuces felt like a pretty big suckout at the time.

Anyway, good luck to me.
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Postby MecosKing » Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:58 pm

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Postby Stoneburg » Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:49 am

SM = Stora Mörken = Big Blind
LM = Lilla Mörken = Small Blind
Lägg = Fold or Post
Satsa = Bet
Höj = Raise
Syna = Call


And thank you, sir.
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Postby RedBarracuda » Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:55 am

i just love this one...

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Postby Stoneburg » Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:39 pm

Started out with a mediocre 3-hour session where I finished down ~$10 due to minimizing some losses. Ran pretty bad. Worst beat was definetely when I flopped top set in Omaha with QQ on a QJ6 board. I bet 3/4 pot, idiot calls as does a tourist. Turn is a 3, I get 90% of my stack in, both call. River is a 2, idiot puts me in for whatever I have left and shows T645. So he called a big bet on the flop with bottom pair, picked up an oesd on the turn which he figured was good for a pot sized bet with no implied odds and sucked out. Bleh. Never caught anything against him and he left.

Didn't really catch many hands to get back with. In texas I raised a shortstacked limper with AA, he called with Q8s and promptly pushed with a flush draw on the flop, I called and he hit. A few hands later I raise him again with AK, he calls with AT and flops two-pair to double up through me again. Never caught anything against him again and he left.

I also folded a lot to miniraises on the turn (it's a monster you know). Example:

Texas 5-max NL $100.

I raise to $3 utg with KQo, unknown in the SB is the only caller. Flop comes K92 with two hearts. He checks, I bet $6 and he calls. Turn is an off suit Jack, he checks, I bet $15 and he miniraises. I started with a bit over a full stack and he has me covered. I decide to give up and fold it.

Most of my wins came from taking down pots without showdown. I was playing pretty well, which I can tell from stealing enough to make up for the bad beats.



However.... I didn't want to start off my new pro career with a bad session so later this evening/night I sat down and grinded myself up to a >$300 win for the day. Played one PLO8 table and 3 Texas 5-max tables, all $100. Built my PLO8 stack up to over 3 buyins ( but dropped a bit towards the end) and had double stacks at ttwo of thge Hold'em tables. Made for some interesting deep stack playing since there were other players as deep or deeper. I am getting more and more comfortable playing both shorthanded and deep stacked, although not above the $100 level. Had one bad KK hand though:

I've got [Kh] [Ks] in the CO and a $250 stack.

UTG is a somewhat Laggy player, seems to raise a decent range preflop but haven't gotten out of line or anything yet. He opens to $4, I re-raise to $14 with position and he calls without too much thought.

Flop comes 257 with two hearts, looking good for me. He checks and I bet $20. Which may have been a bit small into the $28 pot, but I don't want to make it too hard for him to call with a lower pair. Remeber, I'm a big stack and I re-raised his UTG raise, he HAS to give me credit for a big hand. He calls.

Turn is the ugly [Ad]. He checks and I check behind.

River is the even uglier [Qh]. He leads for $50.

I think for a while and fold. I can't really put him on a specific hand (although QQ seems reasonable) but I also can't imagine him playing any hand I beat like this. He has to have had something to call the flop with, and if it was an overpair like TT or JJ it seems extremely unlikely he would bet now. Maybe I got outplayed, I don't know.

Almost lost track of how many shortstacks I busted, but I do remeber these two:

I'm UTG with [Qs][9s] and raise to $3. Shorty behind me calls with a bit over $30 as does super loose BB who has me covered. Flop comes 8TJ with a heart draw. Super loose leads for $5, I raise to $16 and shorty is the only caller. Turn is an Ace, I push, he calls with A9o drawing to three outs for a split and misses.

AA in CO, UTG shorty raises to $4 and I re-raise small to $9. Shorty behind me cold calls and UTG comes along too of course. Flop is A25 with a flush draw. UTG checks, I check, shorty behind me pushes. UTG folds and I decide that this is not the time to fold AA so I reluctantly call although I only have the second nuts. Shorty has A9o and is drawing to runner runner for a split and misses.

As long as people want to put their money in with like 0.003% equity I think I will be able to scrape out a living doing this. Although I sometimes find as much as two competent players at the table (often meaning I just change table) I have to say I think my edge at these levels is pretty huge.
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Postby Stoneburg » Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:04 am

I've decided to make it part of the routine to watch a Cardrunner video before I play a session, since I've paid $129 for the privilidge I think I should try to get value out of it. So I watched Green Plastic play some $100 NL 6-max. The video was only 19 mins and didn't really contain anything interesting. He re-raised a fish with KJo in position once and folded when the fish led into him for pot on a mono-board. Pretty standard. They can't all be good of course.

Didn't see any good $100 tables when I logged on for a wuick session so I sat down at some $40 tables instead. They seemed juicy. Actually, they were pretty juicy. I opened 3 Hold'em and one PLO8 tables, all 5-max and all $40. In the HH's the numbers used will be in SEK since the conversion gets complicated with these numbers.

Half an hour later the PLO8 table was broken, with me sitting with a 4x buyin stack and another guy with a 2.5x buyin stack sitting out. I've often said that I feel like I still haven't gotten the hang on PLO8 but these opponents were pretty soft. Basically they would play close to any 4, and chase half the pot then fold to a river bet. I'll post the two hands that broke the table:

Hand #1

I've been playing TAG and punding the later streets forcing them to fold a lot. They're of the loose/passive type who like to check or bet small to see a showdown so I'm guessing they're annoyed with my "over aggressive" behaviour.

I'm UTG with 2357 double suited. In my opinion, this is a marginal hand full ring but a monster shorthanded. In full ring games it's horrible to make a non-nut two-way hand since you'll often be up against the nuts one way, but at a 5-handed table the nuts is out much more rarely so a hand like this has some reallly good scoop potential where a 23 low and 7 high flush can easily get all the loot.

So I raise to 6 (this is like $1) UTG with my [2d][3h][5h][7d]. One guy is sitting out, but Button and SB both call so pot is 20.

Flop comes [Jd][4d][6s] giving me a 7-high flush draw, wrap and 3:d nut low draw. Ie: a monster.

SB checks, I bet 14 and both call. I started with ~300 and they have about the same, so we're semi-deep at ~150bb.

Turn is the [Ac] giving me the nut low with some counterfeit protection and even more straight outs. Checked to me again by SB and I fire 54, building the pot enough to be all-in by the river but not quite the max (pot was ~62). Both call again.

River is the [8c] which gives me nut/nut. Sb now flat pushes into me. I have him covered by like 15sek but decide to just flat call to entice the guy behind me to overcall, not that those last $3 will make much difference but who knows, it might swing him. He folds though.

SB shows [Ad][2c][9d][Ts] and was crushing me on the flop (70/30), behind on the turn (35/60) and obviously dead on the river. I think he played it horribly by being passive all the way and then putting his whole stack in on the turn and river when the board turned so bad for him. If I were him I would have played it fast on the flop, hoping to get the stack in, and then given up on the turn if faced with a real bet. Putting in >100bb on the river with no low and a pair of Aces with a bad kicker where there is a made low and straight out isn't exactly the smartest move in a split pot game. I picked up about 170bb minus rake there.

Hand #2

This time against the guy who folded on the turn in the last hand. He has ~240 and I of course have him easily covered. Two players are sitting otu so we're in effect 3-handed.

I'm in the SB with [As][6h][7s][Th], button folds and I complete. Not a premium hand by any means but it is double suited, contains an ace, has some straight potential and some emergency low potential with the A67 combo. Villain checks in the BB.

Flop comes [5s][9d][3h] giving me a sneaky double gutshot (both to the nuts), crap lowdraw and two backdoor flush draws.

I lead out for pot which is 4 obviously. Villain miniraises me.

Ok, I'm not going to fold this hand but I don't want to escalate my semi-promising but still marginal hand out of position against a full stack+ who is probably sick of me and willing to make a stand. So I call to see a turn.

Turn is a beautiful [8s] giving me the nut straight AND the nut flush re-draw, as well as making me a crap A3568 low which may or may not be good. Still, I find these guys tend to play their highs faster than their lows so hopefully he's going high.

I check, he makes a lame bet of 10 into the 20 pot, and I promptly check/raise max to 50. He calls without hesitation (as I said, they probably have me pegged as over aggressive). River is the [Kh] changing nothing and I bet full pot 120sek. He quickly calls and mucks, so my A6 is good for low and I scoop him taking my stack up to over 4 buyins. Good times, nice game.


The texas games went pretty decent. At one table I was treading water the whole time, but at the others I made some progress. The only really big hanbd I played was this:

I've got [Kh][Ks] in the CO and open limp. 99% of the time I will of course raise here, but a new player had just joined a lap ago who posted UTG and raised it, and generally seemed happy to raise preflop. It felt like the table chemistry was changing towards more aggressiveness and I figured I would have a decent chance to get in a limp/re-raise here. Button limps along and then SB raises to 8sek. The new guy that seemed loose/aggressive cold calls in the BB and I make a big re-raise to 38. Button decides to get the hell out but both blinds call so we're 3-way to the flop with me in position and a pot of 60bb already. Obviously I won't be folding many flops, or rather, any not containing an Ace. I started with only 168 so more than 20% of my stack is in already.

Flop comes 678 with two hearts and they both check to me. First of all, this isn't a "great" flop for me but I figure to be ahead. But if I get played with and I am ahead, opponents will usually have plenty of outs. Some matchups from hands liable to give me action but where I am still ahead or flipping:

[Ah][8h] = 50/50
[Jh][Th] = 58/42 (43s is pretty much the same)
[9s][9d] = 64/36 (55 is pretty much the same)
[Td][Ts] = 76/24

I'm also behind to some powerful draws like A5s and A9s, where I am only 40% to win. Of course I am also behind to sets and two-pairs, but my [Kh] gives me a tad more equity (31/69 against 87) and having invested close to a quarter of my stack preflop I've pretty much ensured that seen to the whole hand, I can't pretty much make a -EV decision barring an Ace on the flop since no hand that doesn't contain an Ace has enough equity against me preflop.

So I bet just below half my stack, putting in 64 into the 120 pot. Some may argue that I am giving good odds to flush or straight draws but I don't expect them to fold a flushdraw or OESD any way, and I might as well tru to induce a raise or loose call since I will be going all the way anyway and their implied odds are minimal.

SB folds but the newcomer in BB pushes, I of course call. Turn is a [4d] and river is a [Qs], I'm a bit worried about a 5 or two-pair hand but he flips over [As][8h] and I was in excellent shape on the flop (almost 80/20) and he failed to draw out. Obviously playing A8o to a raise and re-raise is borderline retarded, but I'll take his money.

Only played for an hour, but made almost 5 buyins, making it close to $200/hr which sure as hell aint bad playing these levels. Actually, I'll take that playing my normal levels too.
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