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Postby shamdonk » Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:26 pm

Be glad your opponents refuse to fold; if they didn't, you just might go broke.


(9:00:09 PM) GodlikeRoy: i think you could prolly post total shit for the next 2 years aaaaand like 192 days and you'll still be considered 'posting good' cause of your threads that'll never be seen thread
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Postby iceman5 » Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:01 am

Can anyone tell me what percentage of hands this range is?

AJs+
TT+

Im getting all in with alot bigger range than this depending on the situation, but there are basically auto shoves after a raise against anyone.
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Postby iceman5 » Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:15 pm

Yikes! I ran into a lot of bad luck this morning.

Im on a current streak of losing 9 all ins in a row

A3s vs AK...bad move on my part here
AJ vs AK
AK vs AJ
AA vs 97... T94 flop (yes I raised preflop)
AQ vs AK
TT vs A9
AKs vs JJ
77 vs KJ on a Jxx flop
KK vs 75s on a J953 board..he had the flush and I had the K of flush suit. He called my preflop raise and pot bet on the flop..Nothing I can do.

Im down 9 short stacks or $180 on this current streak.

I guess I have to be happy that Im only down 9 short stacks after losing 9 straight all ins. That means I broke even with the blinds on all other hands (more or less)

Real win rate....8.02 PTBBs
Real hourly rate...$51.53 / hr

Adjusted win rate....5.83 PTBBs
Adjusted hourly rate....$35.03 / hr
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Postby iceman5 » Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:14 pm

The streak reached 12 consecituve lost all ins when Iost these 3

KJs vs 97s. I only called his raise and he flopped a flush on a Kxx board

KK vs AQs all in preflop

KJ vs A3. Blind battle. I called a small raise and called the flop bet on a Kxx flop. The turn was an ace but gave me a flush draw and we got all in. UGH! he hit a 3 outter on the turn.

I was down 12 short stacks or 2.4 full stacks, then it turned around.

I got all in QQ vs 55 preflop for 25 BBs

I got a moron who limped [Th][9d] and called a $5 raise all in on a [9c][5c][4d][Kc] board I had [Ac][Ad].

I limped [Kh][7h] and flopped [7d][4h][3h] and got a guy all in who had [Qd][7d].

I called a min raise with [Kc][Ts] in the BB after another caller. Final board was KT48T. We got all in on the river for a total of 35 BBs. He had T6

I recovered 5 short stacks from the bottom.

Even after this horrible streak of 12 lost all ins in a row, Im still at $50 / hr. Not bad for the lowest variance game Ive ever played. Pretty good for $100NL.
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Postby Twelver » Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:45 pm

Mekos King (10:21:59 PM): one of the first rules of manlaw
Mekos King (10:22:06 PM): is never ever try to suck backup to a bitch
Mekos King (10:22:09 PM): who caught u cheatin
Mekos King (10:22:23 PM): unless your married and would lose like money inna divorce
Mekos King (10:22:33 PM): then u suckup just long enuf to get close enough to killer obv

Heat517163 (5:05:37 PM): black people man
Heat517163 (5:05:40 PM): they travel in packs
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Postby iceman5 » Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:00 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:27 pm

Its my wifes birthday so we're going out and Im done for the day. Here are the 1st 4 days of my short stack donkdom.


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Postby Tatarana » Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:46 am

gg

From what kind of player do you think you are making most of the money ?
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Postby iceman5 » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:04 am

Im not sure Ive played enough hands to determine that yet. Im leaning towards saying the aggressive players. They auto raise the button and either cant call my shove from the blinds, or they make the call in a -EV situation.

If they are going to raise any pair, any big cards, any ace, any suited K and other suited gapper type hands, then anytime I shove, they lose automatically because my shoving range will always be better than their raising range. They are calling me with things like 55 hoping that they are a coin flip I guess but they lose when they do this.

We will be a coin flip sometimes and those times cancel out, but I will dominate them alot of the time and they will never dominate me so I win automaticall whether they call or not.
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:15 am

Poker is silly.

It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.

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Postby iceman5 » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:19 am

WOW ! I just took an ass whipping at Stars

#1) Folded to me in the SB. I have KJ and complete.

Flop QT9....bet..raise...shove...

He has T9 and turns a 9.

#2) I raise JJ to $4. 2 callers. Flop 943..

One of them has 99

#3) I have J8s in the BB. Unraised pot with a T96 flop. I CRAI and the guy calls with 87. I still have 30% equity but miss.

#4) Guy raises $3 and gets a call. I shove my $23 in with KK. He calls with 99 and flops a 9

#5) I raise [Kc][Tc] to $3.50. Button and BB call

Flop [9c][7c][2h]. BB leads $6. I shove my $19 in and the BB calls with [Js][Ts]. He has 2 outs and hits a the [Jh]

#6) I raise [Ad][Kc] to $4. 1 call.

Flop [Ah][8h][6h]. I check with the intention of CRAI. He shoves for me. I call and he has [Qh][Qc]. Rivers a Q

#7) UTG raises $3, 1 call...button makes it $5. I have [Qd][Jd] in the BB. I see a big pot brewing. I sense a 4 way all in so I call. UTG shoves. MP folds but button calls.

They both have TT and I win.

#8) I limp J9s. SB raises to $3. I call.

Flop J44. he checks, I bet pot and he calls.
Turn Q. I have $10 left so when he checks I shove. He has AQ.

Anyone want to caluclate how much I lose here is Im full stacked? I lost $137 which was $110 more than I shouldve according to my "all in " calculations. I guess I couldve shoved the flop in the J9 hand which wouldve saved me money but I want him to chase a 6 outter, especially when his implied odss suck since Im short.

I still feel absolutley fine with my play. The last 2 days I would be down so far I would probably have to take a few days off if I was playing full stacked. Hopefully my luck turns around.
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Postby iceman5 » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:27 am

Ive lost 18 of my last 24 all ins.

Ive lost 7 of my last 11 all ins preflop and in those 11, I was the big favorite 6 times. A big dog twice and a coin flip 3 times.

Luck runs out..good and bad. Im still playing well.
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Postby iceman5 » Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:46 pm

Hmmm...maybe this wont work and I'll go back into retirement. Who knows.

My 1st 2 hands this afternoon.

#1) EP raises $3.50, button reraises to $12. I shove in the BB with QQ. EP folds and button has JJ. I lose.

#2) Button opens to $3.50. I shove in the SB with 99. BB has AA. I lose again.

I got all in with AJ vs KK and then raised AJ..got called and I pushed a Jxx flop. That guy had KK also.

Im still having people make donk plays against me so you would think this strategy would work. Maybe it will maybe it wont. I cant decide now.

Example of donkishness...

I raise to $4 with JJ and both blinds call.
Flop is 744. They check and I bet $8. They both call.
Turn is a 5. SB checks, BB goes all in and had both of us covered. I call. SB folds. BB has A8.

I have Q9 in the SB. Its me, the BB and UTG in the hand.

Flop is QT5. I check, BB checks, UTG bets pot. We both call.
Turn J. I open shove. BB folds and UTG calls with K3.

Ive been all in as the favorite 62.5% of the time which is below my goal but should still win...maybe not more than my current 2.4 PTBB win rate though. Not sure.

Im on a 17.5 short stack buy in losing streak.

I ran into 3 sets today.
TPTK vs an overpair twice
Got 3 outted on the turn twice
All in 3 times with higher pocket pairs and lost 2 of them
The list goes on.....hopefully its just all bad luck. I can only find a couple mistakes, but maybe theres no way to stay ahead of the blinds. We'll see in the next couple 1000 hands I guess.

I estimate that instead of the $190 I lost today, I wouldve lost about $600 if I was playing full stacked. A 6 buy in day at $100NL for a veteran player like myself = hellaciously bad luck. I hope thats all this is otherwise I will go back into retirement. I am having fun researching this strategy though.
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