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Postby Nortonesque » Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:22 pm

$40 NL ($1/1 blinds) live

I'm in the SB with [Jc][Jd], and about $55. UTG raises to $10, which is a bit of an overbet and feels like AK or AQ to me. UTG has some clue, but isn't a great player by any means. Folds around to the button, who thinks awhile and calls -- he's a little loose, and I put him on overcards. UTG and Button have me covered. UTG I've played with before, so he knows I'm tight.

So, do you reraise here, or call and see what the flop brings?
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Postby iceman5 » Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:47 pm

I fold. I dont like your implied odds for a set. I think either one or both of them has a pair higher than yours. One or both of them also probably has more than one of the overcards covered. I dont think you can win w/o a set.
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Postby Nortonesque » Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:55 pm

Really? I didn't even consider that, given the weakness I was smelling.
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Postby odogg » Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:31 pm

If it were me I would call and take a flop. That however is just me. I play a lot of 5/10 limit and if I have JJ and am raised I would call. When I play NL I typically play at a level where pre-flop they are not going to put enough money in the pot to make me fold a pocket pair. That is a flaw in my NL game.

I don't much look at odds as I should but whether I think I can play for someone's stack if I hit.
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Postby Nortonesque » Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:57 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:41 pm

If you really think you are ahead then go all in preflop I guess. Theres no other way good way to play that hand besides folding.
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Postby Nortonesque » Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:17 pm

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Postby Johnny Hughes » Thu Dec 16, 2004 5:45 pm

I'd call. The implied odds are a combination of hitting a set and coming out of the flop with the highest pair.

If you move in and get called, you are either a small favorite or a big dog. Your stack and the pot give all the card holdings of two overcards pot odds if you move in.

You need to save your ammunition for a flop with three undercards. If you give them AK, then it is best to surrender if they hit and bet or fire at it if they miss and check.
Look at it this way. You can invest 20% of your money to see if you like the flop. Then you decide to save the rest or use it as a tool to win the pot.

This is one of the differences in a tournament and a ring game. In a tournament, you might fold the Jacks.
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