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Postby McNemo » Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:40 am

Villain is standard winning TAG 24 / 19 / 2.4

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Limit: $1/$2
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Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is UTG with [8h] [9h]
Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Only TAGs left at my table. Im waiting for BB before i leave table and i happened to pick up a good stealing hand against tight blinds.

Flop: [7h] [Qc] [4c] (4.5SB, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

I continuation bet and he check/raises me. He could check/raise me with 4x,7x, Qx, flushdraw, straightdraw (or maybe even a combination hand like AJ with backdoor flush and backdoor straight draw?) I get 7:1 and call because i could have up to 9 outs (if he doesnt have a Q) with two possible overcards and a bd flushdraw and bd straight draw.

Turn: [8c] (4.25BB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

I picked up a middle pair and decided to call down. (but reflecting more on this turn i see that it completes many of his draws.)


River: [Js] (6.25BB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

I didnt even reflect on this call as i was pretty locked to a showdown.

Results:
Final pot: 8.25BB
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Postby Pok 7's » Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:52 pm

I don't like this play at all TBH. First of all if all you have is TAG's left get off the table, and, I realize was your plan, I see no reason to be raising this particular hand. You're sitting out the next deal anyway. personally I fold PF. Mid SC aren't great short handed to begin with, and this isn't NL where you stand to stack someone with them.

I think on the flop we're being rather optimistic about having up to 9 outs. I'm torn between not even betting this and folding to the CR. Either way that wasn't the kind of flop we're looking for.

The turn completes a FD as well as a str8 draw so we can already be drawing dead.

River we're just basically satisfying our curiousity and paying off with a very probabable losing hand..... Unless our villian decided to do all this with complete air.

I hate to say it but this looks like a total spew from start to finish.
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Postby McNemo » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:40 pm

Wow you actually suggest folding a good stealing hands against people who actually fold a lot???.... That makes no sense! Against a loose blind i would not raise here.

Ive studied stoxtrader (videos) playing a lot and he would raise down to T8 suited against a standard TAG from the cutoff. And always follow up with a a continuation bet on the flop against a lone opponent. (even when playing low limit and adjusting!) Villain just has to fold 1 in 5 times for the bet to be correct. And i would estimate a lone tight opponent folds 3/5 flops or at least 2/5.

Sure 9 outs is optimistic but i only need 6 (or even less if you count implied odds) Thats why i said up to 9 outs. But maybe it was a bad call anyways (giving you that)

And point taken about turn and river! Speeeewwy....
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Postby MTPaid » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:44 pm

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Postby McNemo » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:49 pm

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Postby MTPaid » Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:20 pm

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Postby Marm » Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:21 pm

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Postby McNemo » Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:55 am

Of course the hand value has importance when raising as a steal!

I raise because i have a good chance to steal the blinds. But if someone in the blinds defend i have a hand with cloaked value. Steal raising with 98s from the cutoff shows a profit against tight blinds. Raising with 72o doesnt!

In 6-max a vp$ip of 24 is tight. Also you look at how often they go to a showdown. If its less then then 35% of the times. You have a good chance of stealing the blinds pre flop or on the flop.
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Postby McNemo » Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:27 pm

Villain had 65s
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