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Postby Aisthesis » Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:53 pm

Ok, now having put in maybe 2k hands at the 50s and the 100s, I think it's a good idea to attempt to consolidate strategy.

As note as to how this has gone: Started winning nicely at the 50s (Stars), then did so at the 100s. Then got over-aggro at the wrong times, went down $600 at the 100, and went back to the 50 to consolidate--and that's not going particularly well. I think the main problem has actually been when and when not to bet after raising. I did best really when I was betting only when I would have bet the flop at FR.

I'll start with PF. First, I think I've gotten way too loose. So, I'll start by defining a tight strategy. What I'd really like to do is have 2 dramatically distinct strategies allowing a shifting of gears.

Playing tight: EP raisable is any FR limpable for me in MP except AK, JJ+ and 22-66. AK and JJ+ are all limp re-raises, and 22-66 are limp calls. After the discussion of raising 22-66, I tried raising those consistently and am simply not liking it. I also think that if there's a limp re-raise, there needs to be a limp call as well.

LP raisable on the tight strategy is exactly the same except AXs is added to the mix as well as hands with 2 cards T or better (it's J or better for my FR MP playable unless they're suited).

Here, betting requires a direct hit.

Playing loose: AXs and small PP as well as big hands get raised in EP. KXs and all connectors get raised in LP as well as Q9s or better.

CB is pretty much automatic when playing loose.

Note that calling a raise or re-raising doesn't differ from tight strategy. If I'm playing loose, that means that the table is too tight. Hence, an EP raise is more likely to be a big hand, and thus calling a raise actually should be a bit more on the tight side (maybe folding KJo to a raise in that case).

My current idea is to switch between these strategies depending on table. If the table is too loose, play tight. If it's too tight, play loose.

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Postby redhouse » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:46 pm

I'm just starting out too. I tried some limp reraising and hated it. Still donking my way through developing a style, but some vague thoughts fwiw.

- one pair, and an overpair esp, is a pretty good hand 6 handed. I think there's more value to be had playing QQ+ postflop regularly.

- there are only 3 players likely to raise you (blinds tend to play pretty tight). Also they are much more likely to raiseup a loose passive limper than a tight one, which you are. A four way limped pot with AA is pretty ghey.

- some mizors will 3 bet or squeeze anyway, so the money gets in regardless. Give them the opportunity to. This doesnt apply so much to 50nl, but i imagine it will at higher levels. A lot of six max play seems to be centered around heavy aggression preflop. You give up a lot of equity by playing your monsters in a way that allows people to clearly identify them when deception isnt necessary to get action.

-If you LRR with a 150bb+ stack, which you have a surprisingly large amount of the time since you pick up so many small pots, mizors can still setmine against your reraise a lot of the time. raise/4bet defines things more clearly imo. Of course i'm constantly stacking off with one pair, so this may not be an issue for someone better postflop.

- This may be a reach, but I imagine your cbs on rag flops will start getting less respect from the better playes if you blatantly advertise that you dont have a big overpair pf the times you just make a regular raise.
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Re: Learning 6max

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Postby iceman5 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:13 am

At the $50 and even $100 level, there are very very few people reraising without QQ+.

In general, I think that you think there are way more differences at 6 max than FR than there really are.
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