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Flopping a Set Iceman Style

Postby Bob314 » Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:09 pm

Alright, I'm posting this hand mostly as a question on my turn play.

Full Tilt Poker, $100 max (.5/1 Blinds)

I'm in the BB with 5[d]5[h]. UTG min raises it, making it 2 to go. UTG+2 re-raises making it $5 to go. Folds to me. I make a misplay here, first off. I have notes on UTG and one of the notes is that he min raises UTG with Q-Q. I didn't check my notes on him until later in the hand--my bad. Knowing this would you still call knowing that he has a premium pair in the hopes that he just smooth calls? Without having seen that note I know that I've seen lots of people make this play with suited connectors or hands similar to mine to build pots. My implied odds are fine for calling the raise because both my opponents are around full stacked. I call out of the BB and UTG calls.

Flop: K[s]9[s]5[s]
Pot: $15

So I've gone and pulled an Iceman by flopping a set on a flushed board. With the raise and the re-raise in front of me (I still haven't looked at my note on UTG yet) I lead out for $10 to see what happens (I like to play my sets fast against raisers). UTG calls and UTG+2 calls.

Turn: 4[h]
Pot:$45

At this point I look at my note on UTG as I'm concerned about being smooth called in both spots. I see the note on UTG and figure that he has a high pair with a spade. K-K would likely re-raise on the flop so I don't think I'm out-setted. What do I do here? I lead for $20 into the pot. Looking at that number makes me realize what a weak bet I threw out there. My thought at the time was to throw out a bet that wasn't pitiful, so that if someone had flopped the flush maybe I wouldn't get blasted out of the pot because they would be satisfied to continue to slowplay. Then I've given myself a chance (and odds) to boat up on the river. I'm called by both UTG AND UTG+2. Yikes!

River: 4[d]
Pot: $105

Wow. Talk about my money card! Now what to do? I'm sure I've been followed by a flush draw, but I'm sure there is at least 1 semi-made hand that is looking to showdown here. UTG has $55 left and UTG+2 has $65 left. What can I bet that I'll get called with? I settled on throwing out a $60 bet. I thought that if I bet small that it might look like I'm trying to milk them and I wasn't sure that a small bet would get re-raised by a made hand. Probably just get called by someone who wanted a cheap showdown. I ended up deciding to bet $60. UTG called and UTG+2 folded. It took awhile for me to settle on $60, so maybe the lapse of time before my action made it more callable 'cause it looked weaker? I dunno. I really think your reads can be aided by how much time someone takes before they take action. Anyways, UTG had A-A with the A of spades. UTG+2 claimed to have J-J with the J of spades. Too bad the river wasn't a 4[s]! :D

Anyways, hands like this are really tricky. I think if I made a major error on this hand it would probably be on the turn with the way I sized my bet, but any thoughts on the hand in general are welcome.
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Postby iceman5 » Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:18 am

I think you played pretty well. I wouldve bet the turn harder though.
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Postby Stapher » Wed Dec 22, 2004 6:04 pm

I would've play this the same except that I always livepokerforum :D
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Postby briachek » Wed Dec 22, 2004 9:11 pm

suck up :wink:

I like the way you played it. but I would have bet a little more on the turn but I can't blame you for what you did. I might have done it too. When they both called on turn, I would think they either really slow playing the nut flush or higher set and are scaried but more likely had a high spade. I hate flush flops even though its so low that someone actually flopped it.
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Postby Rhound50 » Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:35 am

You said that your reason for not betting harder on the turn is you were hoping not to get killed by someone who floppped the flush. My take on these situations is there are as many cards in the deck that help you if they flopped the flush as their are that help them with a big spade draw with that said you are decently happy with a fold on the turn, there is still $100 in the pot, I push hard and probably put them both all in after they both call the flop bet. If they flopped the flush and the turn is a blank you are going to call their all in for $55 or $60 on the river with your set anyways why give them odds to catch up.
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Postby Bob314 » Thu Dec 23, 2004 2:21 pm

Right. I was overly concerned with getting blasted out of the pot and didn't stop to think about the fact that I was giving my opponents great odds on a flush draw, which one of them has to be on. A $30 bet would have been more appropriate.
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