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Postby Aisthesis » Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:56 pm

I think I'll just post some vague thoughts about re-raises here, because my thought process isn't really ripe just yet.

Scenario: .50/1, full stacks. You raise to 3 in EP, and LP makes it 9.

My question is which hands you want to push here.

Last night, I figured that if you push AK, KK, AA, then QQ is making a bad call. The only hands that can call are KK and AA.

But if you push only KK/AA, then even KK is making a bad call when you shove.

My conclusion was that vs. a tight re-raiser (JJ+, AK), you should push only KK/AA here because they likely are going to make bad calls.

Now, in the long run they might get a read, but your range changes according to opponent.

Let's say you have a semi-tight RR, whose range is AQ+ and 99+ here. Against this player you do re-raise AK as well as AA/KK. I haven't worked out the exact EV on this one, but you clearly have much more fold equity, since AQ (that does have outs) as well as 99-JJ should fold. If they don't, that actually increases your EV since they're making a bad call--despite the fact that it increases variance when you have AK.

Then there's the loose RR. That's what has me stumped a bit in terms of figuring optimal ranges for the shove--as well as for calling for that matter. Against this guy, even OOP, I think AQ should be at least a call. Even KQ might be worth considering as a call.

I'm pretty sure I could figure out a near-optimal strategy if I could determine what his actual range is as well as his call range to the shove.

Can we normally take as call range QQ+ and AK? Ideas as to typical loose RR ranges?
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Postby Aisthesis » Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:02 am

Ok, vs. semi-tight RR who will call with QQ+ and AK, I figure pushing AKs here has an EV of 3.4, so it's good in its own right--and it's actually going to be hard to beat that by flat calling even though you do make decent money here from AQ imo even OOP.

But you still have to hit to beat any of the pairs, and that only happens 1/3 of the time. And you also lose sizeably when they set and you hit--and of course in the rare case that you hit but AA or KK sets.

Anyhow, calling with AK, it's going to be difficult to beat the EV of 3.4 imo. The real reason this push is good is that you fold out several hands that are small favorites, namely 99-JJ, in addition to folding out the AQ underdog hands.

While I haven't added it up exactly, I expect that pushing AKo is very slightly -EV since you lose a decent amount of equity against their whole call range.

So, I'm going to go with pushing AKs, flat calling with AKo against this range. Also, the more you have a grasp of your opponent's post flop play, the better this call gets (so that you can extract more out of AQ and lose less if they set when you hit--and OOP particularly, this may not be very easy to do).

Maybe just pushing any AK gives you less headache in addition to demonstrating that that's part of your push range.
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