My point is that even though we're crushed by AQ/AK postflop, most of the time we're just going to cb when we whiff, and he'll have to C/F.

Same goes for 99-JJ if an overcard comes (though it'd be fine for him to ch/call...he may be WT postflop and c/f hands like these).

Ais, you're getting a little to results oriented here. Calling pf is really bad based on his range...not based on what flop we happened to hit THIS time. We're ahead of AK/AQ/TT NOW, but that doesn't mean it's a good call pf. It's a really bad call because we're not going to hit very often, and when we do, we're not going to get paid well enough.

Ok, bk, you say based on his range, it's not good. What's his range? Surely this player is raising at least 6% from EP, right?

Also, if we have enough of a read to know that he's 17/13, we should have enough of a read to have some idea of his post-flop tendencies.

Anyhow, we recently went through the whole thing of what top 6% is, and that's KQ, AJ+ and 99+. I still don't see why AJ isn't playable with position and some grasp of post-flop play from villain even against that range. And that's the tightest I can reasonably put him on. Not at all unlikely is a range including any PP, AJ+ and KQ. If he's going to stack off on AK or 44 unimproved, well, ok, then I don't like AJ much, but I'm not seeing that as being the case.

Then they're usually making a CB and you fold.