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Postby Xaston » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:59 pm

Villain seems to be a good 5/10 player. Not someone I would avoid at all, but prolly a winner if he game selects.

I don't think I've 4-bet him yet, I certainly haven't 4-bet him a LOT. Similarly he isn't 3-betting me a crazy amount, but he isn't just completely staying out of my way either. This is a good/common spot for people 3-bet because I can be isolating the silly limper quite light.

Obviously the flop is pretty good for me, but I decided I'd be better off checking behind and cramming any of my outs or an A on the turn. Thoughts?

PokerStars Game #16603228919: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/04/09 - 13:16:54 (ET)
Table 'Kriemhild' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: mindgamer ($995 in chips)
Seat 2: Vonk ($1012 in chips)
Seat 4: ALBRICZHU ($1228.25 in chips)
Seat 5: Xaston ($1015 in chips)
Seat 6: kbp00 ($975 in chips)
kbp00: posts small blind $5
mindgamer: posts big blind $10
Jotschi85: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Xaston [Jh Th]
Vonk: folds
ALBRICZHU: calls $10
Xaston: raises $30 to $40
kbp00: raises $110 to $150
mindgamer: folds
ALBRICZHU: folds
Xaston: raises $180 to $330
kbp00: calls $180
*** FLOP *** [2c Qc 9s]
kbp00: checks
Xaston: checks
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Postby MBuckler » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:09 pm

are you checking behind with AA there?

i think the standard line after the 4 bet is to put a c-bet out...esp. being in pos.

say the Kc falls on the turn...i think he picks up a crapload of outs if he didnt turn the effective nuts...

i dunno...i feel like this is semi-fucked up. i dunno that you're going to get check/raised a lot here on the flop.
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Postby Xaston » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:19 pm

MBuckler,

I check behind AA here sparingly, like consuming fats, oils, and sweets.

If I'm betting here, I'm shoving.

If the K of clubs falls here I pick up a crapload of outs, not him.
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:27 pm

Poker is silly.

It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.

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Postby iceman5 » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:43 pm

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Postby ToastedMoses » Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:14 pm

I agree on the shove.

Not sure I understand the 4-bet. His 3-bet is large so you show a greater immediate profit when he folds, but it also makes your 4-bet large enough that folding to a shove would probably be incorrect. Further, JThh flops well and I would think it would be a good hand to have in your OOP 3-bet call range (though I don't do a lot of OOP 3-bet calling...)

edit: just realized you are not OOP. The 4-bet makes even less sense to me now. Again, it seems like an ideal spot to defend and just see a flop. If you don't mind please elaborate a bit on why you opted to mix in (i assume) a 4-bet here.
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Postby Triple B » Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:27 pm

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Villain: How?
Me: I had a feeling
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Postby hard2tel » Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:03 pm

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Postby Xaston » Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:05 pm

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Postby hard2tel » Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:16 pm

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Postby GodlikeRoy » Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:16 pm

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It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

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Postby dropthe72 » Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:16 pm

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Postby Xaston » Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:29 pm

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Postby GodlikeRoy » Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:40 pm

Poker is silly.

It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.

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Postby hard2tel » Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:41 pm

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