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Postby Trump34 » Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:05 pm

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
8 players
Converted at

Stacks:
UTG ($147.70)
UTG 1 ($19.00)
Hero ($101.50)
MP2 ($94.35)
CO ($40.50)
BTN ($104.70)
SB ($61.80)
BB ($24.65)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 8 players) Hero is MP1 [Jh][Ah]
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, CO calls $5, 3 folds, UTG calls $4

Flop: [Kh][6h][4c] ($16.5, 3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $11, CO goes all-in $35.5, UTG raises to $60, Hero?
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Postby Xaston » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:17 pm

Does some simple math?
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Postby k3nt » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:23 pm

UTG is putting you on AK (because that's what people do in FR games versus MP raisers) and he's telling you he wants to get the money in anyway. Can he limp/call preflop with something like [7h][5h] or [5h][4h], or is he a more standard "limp/call with pairs only" player?

I think his line is weird for a set though. There's a bunch of money going to be in the middle already if he check/calls: It'll be a $120ish pot with way less than a PSB left going to the turn. So why not flat call with a set, hoping you'll come along, instead of trying to push you out? But his line is even weirder for a draw, which will have way better pot equity if you come along, so again, why try to push you out?

While I try to puzzle this out I'm watching your avatar ... quite distracting.

No, I think he has a set, and just clicked "check" and then "minimum raise" because that's what people do in FR games when they flop sets.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=4607864
pokenum -h ah jh - 4d 4s - ks qd -- kh 6h 4c
Holdem Hi: 903 enumerated boards containing 4c Kh 6h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ah Jh 243 26.91 660 73.09 0 0.00 0.269
4s 4d 641 70.99 262 29.01 0 0.00 0.710
Ks Qd 19 2.10 884 97.90 0 0.00 0.021

Even if by some miracle you're ahead here against a lower FD, I still think the CO has a K of some sort almost all the time.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=4607867
pokenum -h ah jh - 7h 5h - ks qd -- kh 6h 4c
Holdem Hi: 903 enumerated boards containing 4c Kh 6h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ah Jh 343 37.98 560 62.02 0 0.00 0.380
7h 5h 213 23.59 690 76.41 0 0.00 0.236
Ks Qd 347 38.43 556 61.57 0 0.00 0.384

I dump it.
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Postby Semillon » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:52 pm

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Postby Trump34 » Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:52 pm

K3nt..you are on the money, nice work...as you can see I shoved.

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
8 players
Converted at

Stacks:
UTG ($147.70)
UTG 1 ($19.00)
Hero ($101.50)
MP2 ($94.35)
CO ($40.50)
BTN ($104.70)
SB ($61.80)
BB ($24.65)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 8 players) Hero is MP1 [Jh][Ah]
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, CO calls $5, 3 folds, UTG calls $4

Flop: [Kh][6h][4c] ($16.5, 3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $11, CO goes all-in $35.5, UTG raises to $60, Hero goes all-in $96.5, UTG calls $36.5

Turn: [Jd] ($245, 3 players)

River: [4s] ($245, 3 players)

Final Pot: $245
Hero shows: [Jh][Ah]
CO shows: [As][Kd]
UTG shows: [6d][6c]

UTG wins $242 ( won $140.5 )
Hero lost -$101.50
CO lost -$40.50
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Postby TwoThreeSuited » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:59 pm

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Postby Trump34 » Sat May 03, 2008 10:07 am

Would someone please show me (in detail) how to calculate the EV for my shove on the flop. I have done some figuring and I'm guessing it is around -$12. Thank you in advance.
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