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Postby Nortonesque » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:41 pm

Since there's more activity here lately, it might be fun to do one of these.

BB is 33/5.5/1.72 VP$IP/PFR/PFA, SB and MP1 have just joined the table.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with [Ts], [Qh].
1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) [2d], [3c], [Tc] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero :?:
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Postby briachek » Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:08 am

raise but i probably fold preflop actually. Maybe I call if the table is right. I'm not too happy with the hand but since you are in position, make the draws pay.
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Postby Nortonesque » Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:21 am

You're folding QTo on the button? Good god, man!
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Postby briachek » Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:26 am

probably not but i haven't played limit in so long, who knows anymore. I don't know if anyone should listen to my limit advice anymore. Actually, who actually listens to any of my advice?
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Postby Tiburon » Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:12 am

Youve gotta raise that--you have top pair, decent kicker, and draws on the board? Make them pay. Even if he made two pair, you still have 5 outs to play wth....
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Postby piersmajestyk » Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:27 am

Agreed, pop it up.
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Postby Nortonesque » Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:34 pm

Yup, we've got top pair and a decent kicker, so we raise.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (7 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with [Ts], [Qh].
1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) [2d], [3c], [Tc] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (6 BB) [Kc] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero :?:
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Postby TightWad » Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:37 pm

Well, that's a pretty awful card. I still think you gotta bet though.
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Postby briachek » Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:01 pm

bet, fold if raised and if called, check down the river.
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Postby Nortonesque » Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:08 pm

I agree -- no one has shown any real aggression as of yet, so there's no reason to think our hand isn't good. A flush draw will usually bet out here, but if we get check raised we'll have to re-evaluate.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (7 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with [Ts], [Qh].
1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) [2d], [3c], [Tc] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (6 BB) [Kc] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 calls.

River: (9 BB) [5h] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero :?:
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Postby briachek » Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:03 pm

i take the free showdown and check although that is about as good of a card that can hit that doesn't improve your hand.
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Postby TightWad » Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:09 am

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Postby NWCougar » Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:32 am

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Postby Nortonesque » Sat Aug 20, 2005 3:03 pm

Piers wins -- this hand is a lesson in value betting. That [Kc] is scary, but no one has indicated that they connected with it in any way, and they could just as easily be calling with draws or a weaker ten. Getting checkraised sucks, but we shouldn't be so scared of it that we take the lower EV play. We should be asking ourselves "how many bets will I gain here on average, and how many bets will I lose here on average?"

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (7 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with [Ts], [Qh].
1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) [2d], [3c], [Tc] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (6 BB) [Kc] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 calls.

River: (9 BB) [5h] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 11 BB

Results in white below:
BB has Td 6d (one pair, tens).
Hero has Ts Qh (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 11 BB.
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