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Should I draw to my 2 outer?

Postby woody » Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:15 pm

Limit hold'em $2/$4. 10 handed. Small blind seems like a reasonable player.

Hero is in EP with Jc Jh.

Preflop: Hero raises to $4, MP calls, LP calls, SB raises to $6. BB folds. Hero calls, MP calls, LP calls.

Flop: Ks Td 6h. Pot = $24.70.

SB bets $2.

Should I pay the $2 to try for my 2 outer to make a set?
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Postby EscapePlan9 » Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:22 pm

This is assuming SB is a straight-forward player who will only lead bet with TP or better...

You technically have a 3.5 outter, since you count the backdoor straight draw as 1.5 outs. With 12:1 odds on the flop, you can call with your 3.5 outter and see if you improve on the turn. If you don't pick up a straight draw on the turn (or the miracle jacks), then dump it.
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Postby Molina » Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:32 pm

I wouldn't call, there is a distinct chance MP or LP will raise the SB and then your stuck between them with a hand that is certainly behind. Even if the turn gives the straight draw, you could still be stuck in a betting war and theres nothing to say that someone doesn't have QJ and you split.

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Postby Molina » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:12 pm

But there's no way woody is ahead on that flop with 3 others, one of whom (SB) is described as a reasonable player who 3 bets from the SB. From that information alone you know that you're behind.

You can't call in this situation when you're needing a Jack.

On the straight draw argument, any Q or A to give some kind of straight draw wil probably help either the SB or the other two even further. Optimism for runner- runner straights will lead you to lose a lot of chips in the long run.

There's no shame in folding when you don;t have the best hand.

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Re: Should I draw to my 2 outer?

Postby woody » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:17 pm

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Postby EscapePlan9 » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:37 pm

Woody, you played it perfectly. Don't play with Monsters Under Your Bed. It's ALWAYS more likely someone has TPTK or an overpair here than a set.
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Postby Molina » Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:33 pm

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